No Adobe ePub for Kindle? Really?!?!?!?

[GoSharks]

Originally Posted by Mark Rehorst

All I want to know is can I get an ePint or and eWhisky in an ePub? How about some bangers and mash? Bubble and squeak? Can I get a rousing chorus of "Innocent When You Dream" going in an ePub?

If you spend too much time in an ePub you're going to need a designated eDriver! eCheers

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You (people using the word troll incorrectly) are using the word troll incorrectly.

The meaning of troll is someone in an online chat (i.e., IRC) trolling for online sex. Hence calling the person a troll. It has nothing to do with disrupting a forum.

You are wrong.

[montalex]

Originally Posted by GoSharks

If you spend too much time in an ePub you're going to need a designated eDriver! eCheers

And a firmware upgrade...

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by montalex

From Wikipedia:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] In addition to the offending poster, the noun troll can also refer to the provocative message itself, as in "that was an excellent troll you posted". While the term troll and its associated action trolling are primarily associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels highly subjective, with trolling being used to describe intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context. For example, recent media accounts have used the term troll to describe "a person who defaces internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families.

I can think of several regular posters here who meet that definition....

Again, that's an incorrect definition. Just because it's on wiki does not mean it is correct. I've been on the net since before the net was open to the public. And there were no forums back then. The word troll did not have anything to do with forums. It still doesn't. It has to do with online chats.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kennyc

You are wrong.

Nope, I'm not. Been online before the net was public. Before there were forums. When what we had were BBS systems and dial-up modems. Been there when troll was used for a completely different meaning. So really, the definition of troll regarding forums is way off-base.

[TallMomof2]

As language does, the meaning of "troll" has morphed over time. Originally, it had the meaning you ascribe but nowadays it has the current meaning from Wikipedia.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Nope, I'm not. Been online before the net was public. Before there were forums. When what we had were BBS systems and dial-up modems. Been there when troll was used for a completely different meaning. So really, the definition of troll regarding forums is way off-base.

You are wrong.

[GoSharks]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Nope, I'm not. Been online before the net was public. Before there were forums. When what we had were BBS systems and dial-up modems. Been there when troll was used for a completely different meaning. So really, the definition of troll regarding forums is way off-base.

I suggest you update your lexicon, it's a little antiquated (that's a new word meaning 'outdated')!!

[JSWolf]

We still get trolls on IRC. The definition of troll hasn't changed to mean forums disruption. It still means trolling for virtual sex on a chat. I'm sorry if you (those who agree with the incorrect wiki entry) believe an incorrect wiki entry.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Been online before the net was public. Before there were forums. When what we had were BBS systems and dial-up modems.

Yep. 2400 baud modems. Gopher, WAIS, archie, veronica, and magnetic tape for storage... oh my! Hell, I had to take a PASCAL class in college, for god's sake. I still have token-ring hardware laying around my house... I think it's underneath my Timex/Sinclair 1000 with the 16K memory add-on. What's it all mean???? That you're still wrong about what "troll" means nowadays. Let it go man. It'll be alright. Need a hug?

[Timoleon]

From the BBS days and 300 baud modems of the mid-80s, I remember "trolling" as being a general term for someone who was being a pain in the ass and trying to start a flame war. It may have originally had some sexual connotations to it, but by that time the meaning and usage had certainly broadened.

[montalex]

Angry penguin in a washing machine with a snowsuit base, why you not like my Aunty Amazon, who read me to sleep from little eink screen? I drink at epub, but mobi sing good too.

[pidgeon92]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Nope, I'm not. Been online before the net was public. Before there were forums. When what we had were BBS systems and dial-up modems.

This makes you old. Not right.

[FF2]

Here's an example of the original definition - things change:



And that is a real Volkswagen Bug in its grasp.

It is under the Fremont Bridge in Seattle.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Nope, I'm not. Been online before the net was public. Before there were forums. When what we had were BBS systems and dial-up modems. Been there when troll was used for a completely different meaning. So really, the definition of troll regarding forums is way off-base.

The definition of troll on usenet (and later on web forums) has been set since at least 1994:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.f...22+defintition

There's a big difference between trolling and flame-baiting, the act of
posting an obnoxiously offensive *opinion* that you have no intention of
defending.
"Majel Barrett was only on 'Star Trek' because she was married to William
Shatner" is a troll. "You should switch the door you choose when Monty Hall
opens a door and shows you a goat because that way the odds are two in three"
is a troll. "Star Trek fans are incestuous spawn who excessively fantasize
about Gates McFadden" is flame-bait, unless one is prepared to back up that
statement with reasoned argument.
A good troll gives warning that it's a troll, if through nothing but the
blatant obviousness of the error (Anyone who knows who Majel Barrett is
knows that she was married to the late DeForest Kelley, not William Shatner)
or through the newsgroups it's posted to.
Trolling isn't aimed at newbies. It's aimed at self-important people
who feel the need to play net.cop and net.expert and jump down the
throats of every post that they disagree with, immediately hitting
"F" before stopping to think, or even read, the post. It's a lot like
those tests your sixth-grade teacher gave you where she warned you to
read all of the instructions. No doubt future trollees were yodeling and
doing twenty jumping jacks and drawing purple triangles while everyone
else was calmly sitting in their seats having read the last instruction
to ignore the first nineteen instructions, write their name on the paper
and turn it in. Trolling is aimed at those who still haven't mastered
that concept.
When such a person immediately punches "F" without reading the whole
post and is hooked by a troll, he's been hoisted by his own picard.
Paraphrasing r...@netcom.com, the Zen of Trolling is more accurately
described as:
"Tapping someone lightly on their forehead with your right hand,
and telling them their left shoe would taste real good right now."

It isn't always quite so nuanced these days, but essentially the definition is the same. A troll is someone who posts with the intention of inspiring lots of responses but with no intention of actually entering into a discussion, often by posting something they know is incorrect or that doesn't represent their actual opinions.