Apple stops free Ipad newspaper subscriptions

[elcreative]

You do have choices still... you can submit your app to Apple for approval and it will appear if it works properly and doesn't infringe their T&Cs... you can put it out for Android and other platforms... you can set up your own platform (OK bit unlikely)... or we can dictate to Apple (and all those who have purchased their equipment) that they must allow everyone to be allowed to put whatever they like on the iPad...

If you develop an App for the iPad then don't you already know the way things work, by the nature of making an iPad App you are agreeing to the T&Cs... if you don't like them then don't produce an App for the iPad... doesn't matter if it would benefit your business, Apple aren't actually in the business of helping other peoples' businesses, they're selling iPads and facilitating customers acquiring content for it that they can expect to work...

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

True, to an extend. But what if I have this free app I want to give to my customers? I'm not allowed to by Apple. Because these customers are paying customers, to me. Where is my freedom then? I'm not allowed to use my own servers to serve the app.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by elcreative

You do have choices still... you can submit your app to Apple for approval and it will appear if it works properly and doesn't infringe their T&Cs... you can put it out for Android and other platforms... you can set up your own platform (OK bit unlikely)... or we can dictate to Apple (and all those who have purchased their equipment) that they must allow everyone to be allowed to put whatever they like on the iPad...

If you develop an App for the iPad then don't you already know the way things work, by the nature of making an iPad App you are agreeing to the T&Cs... if you don't like them then don't produce an App for the iPad... doesn't matter if it would benefit your business, Apple aren't actually in the business of helping other peoples' businesses, they're selling iPads and facilitating customers acquiring content for it that they can expect to work...

This is after the fact. Those apps have been available for some time now. And no, you cannot setup your own platform, Apple won't allow it.

[elcreative]

Watch out for the Apple Army... I was being a little ironic about setting your own platform up but I didn't realise that Apple would physically prevent you from setting up your own platform... if they are that powerful, how come Google got Android going and many manufacturers are making Android powered tablets... oh, wait they must also be owned by Apple as they stop you setting up your own platform...

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by leebase

Correct. You could create an html 5 web app and control your own destiny. But you can no more just go and put your app on Apple's store shelf than you could waltz into a Wal-Mart and set up a booth to sell your product.

For LOTS of folks, that will be a deal breaker. They hope like hades that Android will take off and they can work without Apple's restriction.

On the other hand, Apple has 130 million credit card backed accounts and a customer base that actually pays for content at a rate that is VERY attractive. Just look at what happened when Apple put out it's App Store for the Mac. Pixelmator garnered HUGE sales of it's product...even priced a lot lower than it had been before.

There is a reason folks want to be sold by Wal-Mart, even though Wal-Mart drives the hardest bargains. They also have the most customers.

Apple has to continually put out a better product, a better experience, and market it better to create the "Apple Market" that is so attractive for businesses to want to be a part of. Should Apple falter or the competition surpass it - then Apple's system will fail.

Until then, you have to give Apple it's cut if you want to sell product in it's store.

Lee

This!

Apple is a business and a “free app” that is (in reality) paid for outside of their revenue stream is not good for Apple business. Amazon does the same thing with their books... a lot of people claim they are happy with that and it is good business. Why is Amazon a business hero and Apple a business villain?

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by elcreative

Watch out for the Apple Army... I was being a little ironic about setting your own platform up but I didn't realise that Apple would physically prevent you from setting up your own platform... if they are that powerful, how come Google got Android going and many manufacturers are making Android powered tablets... oh, wait they must also be owned by Apple as they stop you setting up your own platform...

Not as much physically but if you download an app from any other source than the appstore you will void your warranty. Would you want to do that to your customers?

I think Apple is digging its own grave here. People (and companies) will move to HTML5 more and more and rely on the appstore less and less... Even for paid apps.

[elcreative]

Sorry, you're completely missing my point... what has Apple got to do with setting up your own platform... are they going to send round a hit squad to stop you... I was being a little ironic as I doubt you have the resources to get your own family of tablets built but really... Apple don't control the damned world, they are one company, if you have a wonderful app then put it on another platform, if it's that marvellous then people will follow it...

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Not as much physically but if you download an app from any other source than the appstore you will void your warranty. Would you want to do that to your customers?

I think Apple is digging its own grave here. People (and companies) will move to HTML5 more and more and rely on the appstore less and less... Even for paid apps.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by elcreative

Sorry, you're completely missing my point... what has Apple got to do with setting up your own platform... are they going to send round a hit squad to stop you... I was being a little ironic as I doubt you have the resources to get your own family of tablets built but really... Apple don't control the damned world, they are one company, if you have a wonderful app then put it on another platform, if it's that marvellous then people will follow it...

Didn't I explain it? If you download an app from any source but the appstore you void your warranty of your device... It has nothing to do with the ability to do create a platform or not.

[elcreative]

Read what I wrote... the AppStore supplies Apps for IPads and other Apple devices... got that, good...

I said set up your own platform... your OWN, not Apple, I then pointed out that I was being ironic because I doubted that you (or most of us here) had the resources to fund the building of our own tablets... nothing to do with Apple... You then persistently misunderstood what I was saying and kept bringing the Apple AppStore into it... if not now explained simply enough to be understood then just forget it...

And as I also mentioned Android tablets, why does downloading an app from elsewhere void your warranty if you're not using an Apple device...

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Didn't I explain it? If you download an app from any source but the appstore you void your warranty of your device... It has nothing to do with the ability to do create a platform or not.

[CommonReader]

Originally Posted by elcreative

You do have choices still... you can submit your app to Apple for approval and it will appear if it works properly and doesn't infringe their T&Cs... you can put it out for Android and other platforms... you can set up your own platform (OK bit unlikely)... or we can dictate to Apple (and all those who have purchased their equipment) that they must allow everyone to be allowed to put whatever they like on the iPad...

If you develop an App for the iPad then don't you already know the way things work, by the nature of making an iPad App you are agreeing to the T&Cs... if you don't like them then don't produce an App for the iPad... doesn't matter if it would benefit your business, Apple aren't actually in the business of helping other peoples' businesses, they're selling iPads and facilitating customers acquiring content for it that they can expect to work...

Well, once you have achieved dominance in a certain market segment the sort of business practice we are seeing from Apple is frowned upon and may even be considered as being illegal, as it is clearly designed to stifle competition. Apple itself was always happy to get a free ride out of other peoples' achievements, after all. I would have liked to hear the howls of outrage out of the Apple camp if Microsoft had declared that running iTunes on Windows machines didn't meet their business model unless they got 30% out of the sales in the past. It is obviously quite different when Apple is employing such rapacious tactics, though.

(As a side note it is quite remarkable that "evil" Gates is spending billions of Dollars on helping people in the Third World while Jobs seems to be happy to pile up ever more money.)

As to Amazon being comparable I wasn't aware that they were preventing books from other sources from being loaded on Kindles.

[MrsJoseph]

However people cannot - without performing an "illegal" activity - purchase ebooks from Amazon and read them on a different device. Different ingredients, same cake.

[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

I think Apple is digging its own grave here. People (and companies) will move to HTML5 more and more and rely on the appstore less and less... Even for paid apps.

This decision only applies to the very small percentage of apps that provide some extra content to outside subscribers. It doesn't prohibit you from providing free apps, or from providing paid apps. Somehow, I don't think that this is going to be a nail in Apple's coffin.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

However people cannot - without performing an "illegal" activity - purchase ebooks from Amazon and read them on a different device. Different ingredients, same cake.

Wrong. You cannot read it on an other dedicated device, but you can read it on a lot of other devices!

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

This decision only applies to the very small percentage of apps that provide some extra content to outside subscribers. It doesn't prohibit you from providing free apps, or from providing paid apps. Somehow, I don't think that this is going to be a nail in Apple's coffin.

You really think Apple will stop here? Besides the fact that more and more companies are leaving the Apple App scene simply because their apps are getting rejected due to some vague reason. (I know of several real-life examples of that)

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by elcreative

Just stop bitching about Apple, Microsoft or what ever...

No can do. You're in the wrong universe for that.

[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

You really think Apple will stop here? Besides the fact that more and more companies are leaving the Apple App scene simply because their apps are getting rejected due to some vague reason. (I know of several real-life examples of that)

The problem with this particular app practice is that people were ripping Apple off by essentially charging for an app outside the app store, thus denying Apple the commission it charges for the sale of apps. So, yeah, I think Apple will stop here.

I haven't heard as much about Apple's review process as I did a year ago, so they may have improved things. I'm not really a fan of their approach, but they do seem to be very successful with it.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

The problem with this particular app practice is that people were ripping Apple off by essentially charging for an app outside the app store, thus denying Apple the commission it charges for the sale of apps. So, yeah, I think Apple will stop here.

If they aren't being sold in the app store, how is Apple being ripped off?