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3d movies ticket sales down and you'll find quite a few directly relevant results. I don't especially mind the 3D effect, though it isn't remotely 3D[1], but I strongly object to the 30%+ increase in price for . . . pretty much nothing (which is, really, the whole point, to raise prices). [1]What it looks like to me is two or three 2D layers put on top of each other, probably because that's what it generally is. I'm sure there are exceptions, which are designed as 3D to begin with, like Avatar, but I haven't seen any. |
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01-15-2013, 06:32 AM | #62 | |
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01-15-2013, 06:44 AM | #63 |
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No, I don't miss the point at all.
Take a longer view, languages become obsolete. Books crumble to dust. I have music that has gone through multiple format shifts and still exists. And yes I can still listen to it any time I please on any device. It is not something lost, it is something different. Last edited by kennyc; 01-15-2013 at 06:48 AM. |
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2. I can pay cash in a store, and they have no idea what I bought. Nor do they know what I browsed. Nor do they know if I read it or gave it to someone else, how long I took, etc. Amazon isn't the only one doing this. Search on Kobo's Reading Life. And yes, paper is a limited technology. But it's one we know. We know the drawbacks and the benefits. It, too, took something away - our ability to remember. Before books, people could remember speeches word-for-word because they had to. I think it was a fair exchange, but it's important to recognize that every technology takes away as well as gives. Will eBooks be a fair exchange? Time will tell. |
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01-15-2013, 08:01 AM | #65 | |
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We are talking about 'what is lost' not your personal behavior. My points are applicable to the technology and the society as a whole. Almost anyone using ebooks is also aware of the drm issue because they have been exposed to it from music, video and games. The personal use laws apply regardless of whether you believe it or not. NO I DID NOT STEAL ANYTHING. I legally acquired every ebook I own and by my rights have used them as I see fit. You need to change your understanding of what an ebook is, you seem very confused. I don't give a sh*t if you pay cash or not, the retailer still knows what you bought, where you bought it, when you bought it, how much you paid for it, and even more. Ah the good ol' let's not change because we are familiar and comfortable with what we have. Why are you even here I wonder? |
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01-15-2013, 09:22 AM | #66 | |
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01-15-2013, 10:15 AM | #67 | |
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If you paid for a book, you haven't stolen anything by stripping the DRM. Even if it is ruled illegal, it's still not theft. If I strip DRM and don't distribute the book there's nothing that could be called theft. I have the book, the author has the money. If I have a book for one reader, and switch to a different device and strip the DRM, I have taken nothing away from the author. The author still has the money, and I have the book that I have paid for. |
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01-15-2013, 10:53 AM | #68 |
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I agree with most of what you're saying, but this I don't really get. If I grab a pbook in a B&M store and pay for it with cash, how does the store know more than that 'some unknown person bought a copy of said book'? They have no idea that it was me, unless I start filling out questionnaires or getting customer discount cards or whatnot and give them that info (which, of course is exactly why they do offer such things )
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I am lucky I suppose. In Canada of course we have "Chapters" ie northern B&N. Certainly when they opened there were a few small independants that shut down, but their were a few that toughed it out and thrived. So I still by hard cover and paperback on a regular basis. Sure I could go to Chapters or Costco but I make the choice to support a local merchant.
As an added benefit they bring in authors for lecture series. I have met Terry Pratchett, Neil Gaiman, Charles deLint, Robert Jordan, the list goes on and on. I don't see Amazon hosting authors in my home town any time soon. So for now I buy my books the old fashioned way and hope that the small independants will find a way to deal with the digital age. perhaps selling ebooks from an instore system or having a web vendor set up. (You listening Bolens? Munros? stay in business dang it) Lux |
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01-15-2013, 12:53 PM | #71 |
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Several years ago, I saw Terry Pratchett at a science fiction convention. At the time, I didn't know Discworld from Ringworld. I picked up one of his books, and now I own all of his Discworld books. So, I think there will be other venues were authors go to promote their books even if the big box bookstores go under. Independent stores could also host authors.
Even if bookstores in general eventually go under, authors will still want to promote their books. The thing about having the paper book right there is to get them to try it right away rather than wandering off to think about it, because they might forget about it. |
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How so? Doesn't "stealing" involve (1) taking something away from someone without their consent and (2) giving to someone who doesn't have the right to possess it? Neither of those applies here. The author got paid; the buyer has a book; there's the potential that a law was broken, but "theft" is not the crime in question.
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He buys a book. He changes his computer settings and does some file processing so that different programs can open the book. Where's the theft? |
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Essentially, copyright law states that the content provider/creator (author/distributor/seller) can set the terms and conditions under which their intellectual property can be used. When you violate those terms and conditions, you have usurped the rights of the content creator. In effect, you are using the copyrighted work in a way other than that intended by the creator. If you check the contract you digitally sign by clicking "I agree to the Terms and Conditions" on a web site, among the things you agree to is to not remove the DRM from the file. Once you do so, you have violated the contract. Perhaps this is not a criminal offense, but it is at least a civil one. Buying licenses to ebooks with the intent to remove the DRM is essentially fraud, and that is actionable in a court of law, even if you have no intent to distribute. When you buy a book from Amazon or Kobo or Nook, you are not buying the book in the traditional sense. You are purchasing a conditional-use license to the eBook. It is, in essence, not treated as a book but as software. Included in that license is the right for them to remove the copyrighted file from your device if, at some future date, it is determined that they did not have the legal right to sell it to you in the first place. When you remove DRM and read it on a non-approved device, you are taking their ability to do this out of their hands, which is part of why they prohibit it in the first place. Some ask what I'm doing here. I owned a Kobo Wifi reader for a while, and I now own an Amazon Kindle and a few tablets with various ereading applications installed. But I am not an enthused convert that believes that eBooks are superior to the paper versions in every way, nor am I completely comfortable with what we are giving up when we buy licenses to digital books. |
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Again you are simply wrong. Copyright and publishing are in flux. You THINK you know what you are talking about but it is clear you don't. You have opinions and not very well informed ones as best I can tell.
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Am I the only one who sees the problems inherent in turning books into software? The copyright laws for software have been horrible for end users, and it hasn't gotten better with time. The days of draconian controls of eReaders and eBooks is not far off, especially since so many of you seem to think you are perfectly in the right when you strip DRM. Let me reiterate: I hate DRM. It is not the only potential problem with eBooks as a technology, but it is one problem, and a big one. |
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