Amazon has removed Download & Transfer option - Page 44

Aleron Ives · 02-26-2025, 08:45 PM

"Enforced"? Most e-book retailers use DRM, and you're not supposed to be able to actually own the book. It just so happens that other retailers' DRM is easier to defeat than Amazon's.

jhowell · 02-26-2025, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

It just so happens that other retailers' DRM is easier to defeat than Amazon's.

Not all of them. Apple’s ebook DRM is also difficult to remove from what I have heard.

DNSB · 02-26-2025, 10:02 PM

And quite a few ePub book vendors do not use DRM. According to a talk at a convention years back, neither Baen nor Tor have seen increases in piracy of their ebooks compared to competitors that use DRM.

As for Apple's DRM at this time, their DRM is not removable though that is likely due to their relatively small share of the ebook market.

OYAH, why is it so hard to get a decent idea of what ebook market share is? Preferably one with numbers that will not cause uncontrollable laughter. For instance, I ran into one late 2024 publication which stated Amazon has 91% of the worldwide ebook market, B&N is second at 25%, Apple has 5% and Kobo has 3%. This oddly adds up to 124%. The B&N 25% is a bit strange as a share of the world wide market since B&N only sells books in the US market and the US market is a lot smaller than the rest of the world combined. Other odd statistics such as 45% of Chinese consumers read ebooks compared to 23% of USA consumers which given the Chinese population is ~4.15 times larger than the population of the USA so that would give about 635 million ebook readers in China compared to 72 million ebook readers in the USA.

Sirtel · 02-26-2025, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

OYAH, why is it so hard to get a decent idea of what ebook market share is? Preferably one with numbers that will not cause uncontrollable laughter. For instance, I ran into one late 2024 publication which stated Amazon has 91% of the worldwide ebook market, B&N is second at 25%, Apple has 5% and Kobo has 3%. This oddly adds up to 124%. The B&N 25% is a bit strange as a share of the world wide market since B&N only sells books in the US market and the US market is a lot smaller than the rest of the world combined. Other odd statistics such as 45% of Chinese consumers read ebooks compared to 23% of USA consumers which given the Chinese population is ~4.15 times larger than the population of the USA so that would give about 635 million ebook readers in China compared to 72 million ebook readers in the USA.

635 million Chinese read ebooks and B&N has 25% of the worldwide market? I had no idea B&N was selling in China and so successfully, too.

DNSB · 02-27-2025, 12:58 AM

Shocking, isn't it? Most of the ebook statistics I saw were about as useless. The numbers didn't add up in most of them and all too many seemed to make the assumption that American statistics applied to the entire world.

Graham44 · 02-27-2025, 02:13 AM

Download and transfer gone in the UK now. That's me done with Amazon then, time to move on, there's plenty of other options for buying stuff from other retailers. I will be looking at supporting smaller independent retailers from now on, something I was guilty of not doing because of Amazon (which makes me part of the problem!)

pdurrant · 02-27-2025, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Graham44

Download and transfer gone in the UK now. That's me done with Amazon then, time to move on, there's plenty of other options for buying stuff from other retailers. I will be looking at supporting smaller independent retailers from now on, something I was guilty of not doing because of Amazon (which makes me part of the problem!)

D&T gone for me in the UK too.

I have switched to buying from Kobo. They price-match (even Amazon one-day offers) and then give an extra 10% off, so it will be cheaper than Amazon and easier to download and remove DRM.

Karellen · 02-27-2025, 04:34 AM

Option for me has been removed in the last few hours. Australia.

Uncle Robin · 02-27-2025, 04:50 AM

Is it allowed to ask here for pointers to info on how to process Kindle purchases in the post D&T setup?

Karellen · 02-27-2025, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Robin

Is it allowed to ask here for pointers to info on how to process Kindle purchases in the post D&T setup?

Kindle4PC v2.40 seems to be the way at the moment.
Link here... https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=48

Uncle Robin · 02-27-2025, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Karellen

Kindle4PC v2.40 seems to be the way at the moment.
Link here... https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...5&postcount=48

Thanks! Reading that thread was informative. Since it seems I'll be stuck with KFX, I might just read the one book whose release I'm waiting for on my current K4PC. My Kindle library is only 52 books in total, so it's not been an apocalyptic change for me.

lbschenkel · 02-27-2025, 05:29 AM

Yeah, confirming that now the D&T option is gone for my 3 accounts: amazon.com, amazon.co.uk, amazon.com.br

drofgnal · 02-27-2025, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

D&T gone for me in the UK too.

I have switched to buying from Kobo. They price-match (even Amazon one-day offers) and then give an extra 10% off, so it will be cheaper than Amazon and easier to download and remove DRM.

Well, if they price match maybe I give Kobo a trial. Do I even need a Kobo reader, or can I just download and remove DRM? We're considering ditching amazon for everything, given Bezos sucking up to Voldemort (you know who)

Sirtel · 02-27-2025, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by drofgnal

Well, if they price match maybe I give Kobo a trial. Do I even need a Kobo reader, or can I just download and remove DRM? We're considering ditching amazon for everything, given Bezos sucking up to Voldemort (you know who)

You don't need a Kobo reader to download and deDRM Kobo books.

John F · 02-27-2025, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ma'am-I-Am

If you're in the US, I have a couple of emails that might work. It's been a while since I've used them, though.

Kindle-feedback@amazon.com
Cs-reply@amazon.com (suggestions, misc feedback)
kindle-accessibility@amazon.com (accessibility suggestions)

One could also try jeff@amazon.com.

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02-26-2025, 08:45 PM	#646
Aleron Ives Wizard Posts: 1,689 Karma: 16307824 Join Date: Sep 2022 Device: Kobo Libra 2	"Enforced"? Most e-book retailers use DRM, and you're not supposed to be able to actually own the book. It just so happens that other retailers' DRM is easier to defeat than Amazon's.

02-26-2025, 10:02 PM	#648
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 46,343 Karma: 169098492 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	And quite a few ePub book vendors do not use DRM. According to a talk at a convention years back, neither Baen nor Tor have seen increases in piracy of their ebooks compared to competitors that use DRM. As for Apple's DRM at this time, their DRM is not removable though that is likely due to their relatively small share of the ebook market. OYAH, why is it so hard to get a decent idea of what ebook market share is? Preferably one with numbers that will not cause uncontrollable laughter. For instance, I ran into one late 2024 publication which stated Amazon has 91% of the worldwide ebook market, B&N is second at 25%, Apple has 5% and Kobo has 3%. This oddly adds up to 124%. The B&N 25% is a bit strange as a share of the world wide market since B&N only sells books in the US market and the US market is a lot smaller than the rest of the world combined. Other odd statistics such as 45% of Chinese consumers read ebooks compared to 23% of USA consumers which given the Chinese population is ~4.15 times larger than the population of the USA so that would give about 635 million ebook readers in China compared to 72 million ebook readers in the USA.

02-27-2025, 12:58 AM	#650
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 46,343 Karma: 169098492 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Shocking, isn't it? Most of the ebook statistics I saw were about as useless. The numbers didn't add up in most of them and all too many seemed to make the assumption that American statistics applied to the entire world.

02-27-2025, 02:13 AM	#651
Graham44 Addict Posts: 293 Karma: 6953284 Join Date: Sep 2024 Device: Kobo Clara BW	Download and transfer gone in the UK now. That's me done with Amazon then, time to move on, there's plenty of other options for buying stuff from other retailers. I will be looking at supporting smaller independent retailers from now on, something I was guilty of not doing because of Amazon (which makes me part of the problem!)

02-27-2025, 04:34 AM	#653
Karellen Wizard Posts: 1,615 Karma: 9500498 Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Libra 2	Option for me has been removed in the last few hours. Australia.

02-27-2025, 04:50 AM	#654
Uncle Robin Diligent dilettante Posts: 3,661 Karma: 52758936 Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: in my mind Device: Kobo Sage; Kobo Libra Colour	Is it allowed to ask here for pointers to info on how to process Kindle purchases in the post D&T setup?

02-27-2025, 05:29 AM	#657
lbschenkel Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 196194 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Malmö, Sweden Device: Kobo Aura 1 \| Kindle PW2, PW1, 4, DXG	Yeah, confirming that now the D&T option is gone for my 3 accounts: amazon.com, amazon.co.uk, amazon.com.br

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