New version of DRM removal tools ("DeDRM")

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by ApK

I'll disagree with you, since DT is feeling over-persecuted.
Wasn't the whole point to distinguish between two different types of DeDRMing? The type where you are only given more control over stuff you already have access to, and the type that could give you access to stuff you aren't otherwise able to access.
So "DeDRM," along with "cracking," is exactly the ambigous term We were trying to disambiguate.

How about "fair-use-enabling?"
Doesn't exactly roll of the keyboard though.

If you want to feel ambiguous, you can find a way to complain about any term.

"DeDRM" means exactly what it says on the tin: removing the DRM.
No explicit connotations of "cracking" or "picking" something along the lines of breaking into someone else's house.

It is left to the reader to not automatically assume nonsense, and possibly to read up on what is involved.
Presumably they will then be able to come across the appropriately-worded 50,000-word legal essay on what the difference is.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

If you want to feel ambiguous, you can find a way to complain about any term.

"DeDRM" means exactly what it says on the tin: removing the DRM.
No explicit connotations of "cracking" or "picking" something along the lines of breaking into someone else's house.

It is left to the reader to not automatically assume nonsense, and possibly to read up on what is involved.
Presumably they will then be able to come across the appropriately-worded 50,000-word legal essay on what the difference is.

Put in the legalese that cracking modern DRM is not possible anyway, it will be faster and cheaper to buy the book and then DeDRM it the simple way with the key.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

If you want to feel ambiguous, you can find a way to complain about any term.

"DeDRM" means exactly what it says on the tin: removing the DRM.
No explicit connotations of "cracking" or "picking" something along the lines of breaking into someone else's house.

It is left to the reader to not automatically assume nonsense, and possibly to read up on what is involved.
Presumably they will then be able to come across the appropriately-worded 50,000-word legal essay on what the difference is.

It's people like you what causes unrest.

[eschwartz]

I can live with that just fine.

[crich70]

Originally Posted by Katsunami

DeDRM enables FART.

Fairly Acquired, Reasonable Terms.

Have you been conversing with Hermione (Granger)?

[fjtorres]

Tools are neutral.
Any tool can be used for fair uses and for nefarious uses, depending on the user.
It's strictly a matter of what kind of person the user is.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

Tools are neutral.
Any tool can be used for fair uses and for nefarious uses, depending on the user.*
It's strictly a matter of what kind of person the user is.

Sure, but different tools have different uses, nefarious or otherwise.

*The user? Heck, sometimes it just depends on the user's mood....

[Katsunami]

Originally Posted by ApK

Count on the Dutch to class up the place.
The expansion is brilliant, but the acronym..um...stinks.
Could I sell you on Reasonably Aquired Fair Terms?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Had to use that acronym. One needs to have to come up with something on a windy day... But yeah, I might get on board with that term, if you fix the raft of spelling problems in some words

[lkmiller]

Meanwhile, has anyone looked at Apprentice Harper's FAQs? You know, the actual reason this thread was resurrected.

[apprenticeharper]

Originally Posted by apprenticeharper

I have added an FAQs file to the repository at github.

I have fixed some formatting problems. No doubt there are more remaining, along with typos and poor wording. Also missing questions and incorrect answers.

If you see an error, or if something's unclear, or you think something else should be added, please either raise an issue at GitHub, or email me directly.

Even an email telling me that you've read through the FAQs and not spotted anything would be appreciated.

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Put in the legalese that cracking modern DRM is not possible anyway, it will be faster and cheaper to buy the book and then DeDRM it the simple way with the key.

There can never be any DRM scheme that cannot be circumvented unless the content can never be perceived.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Phogg

There can never be any DRM scheme that cannot be circumvented unless the content can never be perceived.

Except for analog hole methods, which can be prohibitively time consuming, and may produce degraded, unacceptable results, and probably aren't the main worry of content publisher anyway, it's more like a race. There certainly can be DRM that can't practically be circumvented TODAY, but it will almost certainly be circumvented TOMORROW, and then a new DRM scheme (ADE 4.x?) will probably reduce casual sharing, and also put unfair restrictions on fair use, for a little while again.

[murg]

Originally Posted by ApK

Except for analog hole methods, which can be prohibitively time consuming, and may produce degraded, unacceptable results, and probably aren't the main worry of content publisher anyway, it's more like a race.

You mean degraded books like the scanned, but not proofed, books that the publishers are currently putting out?

[ApK]

Originally Posted by murg

You mean degraded books like the scanned, but not proofed, books that the publishers are currently putting out?

Well, that's why I listed degraded separately from unacceptable. Some people are willing to accept a lot of degradation....

[Lynx-lynx]

Originally Posted by apprenticeharper

I have added an FAQs file to the repository at github.

If you see an error, or if something's unclear, or you think something else should be added, please either raise an issue at GitHub, or email me directly.

Originally Posted by apprenticeharper

I have fixed some formatting problems. No doubt there are more remaining, along with typos and poor wording. Also missing questions and incorrect answers.

If you see an error, or if something's unclear, or you think something else should be added, please either raise an issue at GitHub, or email me directly.

Even an email telling me that you've read through the FAQs and not spotted anything would be appreciated.

Thank you apprenticeharper, you've put a lot of work into preparing the documentation.

I don't understand why no-one has posted a response to you here in this thread ...... , but I want to acknowledge the excellent work you willingly undertake on everyone's behalf