Dear MacMillan... - Page 4

ardeegee · 03-26-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PapaSqrt

WOW! You have your panties in a bunch. You take your opinion and I'll take mine. If it wasn't for the book Enders Game I would have missed out on many years of reading because until I read that book I had the opinion that reading was about as much use as the drivel that you linked to in your post.

I've read all the Ender Wiggins books (and lots more of his books, too) and in fact have been reading the recent comic adaptations of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Card the writer is decent. But Card the human being is a repugnant, despicable slimeball (or a misogynistic homophobic wanker.)

DawnFalcon · 03-26-2010, 11:37 PM

Papa, I have little tolerance for the sort of statements OSC has made in the past, or the rather heavy-handed propaganda in his more recent books. I recommend Ender's Game, because I consider it well written, but nothing else of his and certainly not his blog.

(I don't care if, say, a musician is snorting crack and I'll quite happily recommend Philip K. Dick, but I don't have time for intolerance)

And I'd point out that the current big content companies are trying to get the government to legislate protection for their old business models.

PapaSqrt · 03-27-2010, 12:11 PM

Ah, and this is where we differ. I disagree with things that are said by OSC as well as many other people at times, but since I believe that they are entitled to have, speak, and write their opinion without vilification, I don’t name call or label people for their words. Now actions are another thing. If someone commits a crime against someone else because their beliefs are different, then the offender has, in my opinion, has vilified himself or herself.

DawnFalcon · 03-27-2010, 01:18 PM

Nuts. Free speech means just that - he's entitled to spew homophobic crap, and I'm free to vilify him for doing so.

ardeegee · 03-27-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PapaSqrt

Ah, and this is where we differ. I disagree with things that are said by OSC as well as many other people at times, but since I believe that they are entitled to have, speak, and write their opinion without vilification

As DawnFalcon just said, I disagree. "Freedom of speech" is NOT the same thing as "freedom from being judged by your speech." People who say vile things and think vile thoughts can and should be vilified.

http://blogs.feministsf.net/?p=1273

bgalbrecht · 03-28-2010, 12:27 AM

Getting back to the topic, I don't believe that MacMillan lowered the price of The End of Eternity to $9.99 (since it's selling at B&N and Fictionwise for about $17.85), Amazon did. So it will be interesting to see if in April the price jumps up at Amazon to $15 or so, and drops at B&N and Fictionwise, or if MacMillan will continue to show its disinterest in seeing ebooks succeed as a book distribution channel by setting the price to match the hardback edition.

03-26-2010, 11:37 PM	#47
DawnFalcon Banned Posts: 2,094 Karma: 2682 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: N/A	Papa, I have little tolerance for the sort of statements OSC has made in the past, or the rather heavy-handed propaganda in his more recent books. I recommend Ender's Game, because I consider it well written, but nothing else of his and certainly not his blog. (I don't care if, say, a musician is snorting crack and I'll quite happily recommend Philip K. Dick, but I don't have time for intolerance) And I'd point out that the current big content companies are trying to get the government to legislate protection for their old business models. Last edited by DawnFalcon; 03-26-2010 at 11:41 PM.

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03-27-2010, 12:11 PM	#48
PapaSqrt Member Posts: 14 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: DR800SG	Ah, and this is where we differ. I disagree with things that are said by OSC as well as many other people at times, but since I believe that they are entitled to have, speak, and write their opinion without vilification, I don’t name call or label people for their words. Now actions are another thing. If someone commits a crime against someone else because their beliefs are different, then the offender has, in my opinion, has vilified himself or herself.

03-27-2010, 01:18 PM	#49
DawnFalcon Banned Posts: 2,094 Karma: 2682 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: N/A	Nuts. Free speech means just that - he's entitled to spew homophobic crap, and I'm free to vilify him for doing so.

03-28-2010, 12:27 AM	#51
bgalbrecht Wizard Posts: 1,806 Karma: 13399999 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: US Device: Nook Simple Touch, Kobo Glo HD, Kobo Clara HD, Kindle 4	Getting back to the topic, I don't believe that MacMillan lowered the price of The End of Eternity to $9.99 (since it's selling at B&N and Fictionwise for about $17.85), Amazon did. So it will be interesting to see if in April the price jumps up at Amazon to $15 or so, and drops at B&N and Fictionwise, or if MacMillan will continue to show its disinterest in seeing ebooks succeed as a book distribution channel by setting the price to match the hardback edition.

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