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Old 02-25-2010, 03:19 PM   #46
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It seems that you are contradicting yourself. Initially you say that they shouldn't run a stripped down version of the OS and then at the end, you say that a tablet doesn't need a full OS.
Not contradictory, just not clear.

I mean I don't want anything resembling windows at all. I don't want a stripped down version of Windows 7 or OSX that's tweaked a bit to work with touch navigation.

I want some very lite OS (the iPads is fine if it had multi tasking) that's totally built around touch and just simply doing the few functions I'd use a tablet for--opening books, opening the web browser etc.

Simplicity, minimalist design is what I'd prefer in the OS for a tablet. It's really mainly going to be an e-reader/markup tool for me, and it doesn't need a version of windows etc. to do that.
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Old 02-25-2010, 04:32 PM   #47
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Not contradictory, just not clear.

I mean I don't want anything resembling windows at all. I don't want a stripped down version of Windows 7 or OSX that's tweaked a bit to work with touch navigation.

I want some very lite OS (the iPads is fine if it had multi tasking) that's totally built around touch and just simply doing the few functions I'd use a tablet for--opening books, opening the web browser etc.

Simplicity, minimalist design is what I'd prefer in the OS for a tablet. It's really mainly going to be an e-reader/markup tool for me, and it doesn't need a version of windows etc. to do that.
For a narrow focus usage like that you don't need much in the way of an OS, however, when it comes to a touch pad computer for general use including entertainment, multimedia, home accounting, etc., the future of flash is probably assured.

Flash, for good or ill, has a LOT of inertia and getting the industry to shift to a new tool will take a lot of time, effort, and money.
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Old 02-25-2010, 04:43 PM   #48
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Oh, I'd prefer flash on it as I watch a lot of videos on sites that use Flash for the videos etc.

That's independent of needing a near full PC/Mac OS though. The OS just has to be very streamlined and designed around touch use, and simpler tasks than what you'd do on a laptop or PC. Not just a version of windows tweaked a bit to work with touch and no mouse/keyboard etc.
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Not contradictory, just not clear.

I mean I don't want anything resembling windows at all. I don't want a stripped down version of Windows 7 or OSX that's tweaked a bit to work with touch navigation.

I want some very lite OS (the iPads is fine if it had multi tasking) that's totally built around touch and just simply doing the few functions I'd use a tablet for--opening books, opening the web browser etc.

Simplicity, minimalist design is what I'd prefer in the OS for a tablet. It's really mainly going to be an e-reader/markup tool for me, and it doesn't need a version of windows etc. to do that.
Thanks for clarifying . Multitasking could easily be built into the OS on the iPad just through a firmware update.
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Thanks for clarifying . Multitasking could easily be built into the OS on the iPad just through a firmware update.
I haven't looked, has anyone rated the CPU in the iPad for its multitasking potential?

While it might be possible for the iPad to multitask, will it perform well enough for it to be desirable?
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I haven't looked, has anyone rated the CPU in the iPad for its multitasking potential?
We won't know until it is released since this is a new chip designed by Apple. The official tech spec states:

1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip
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We won't know until it is released since this is a new chip designed by Apple. The official tech spec states:

1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip
We won't know even then, since Apple will not allow true multitasking for third-party apps.

The A4 is certainly more powerful than the chips of other current and past mobile devices, which have had multitasking for a long time.

The title of this topic is certainly uninformed about where Flash is and where it's going, though....
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We won't know even then, since Apple will not allow true multitasking for third-party apps.

The A4 is certainly more powerful than the chips of other current and past mobile devices, which have had multitasking for a long time.

The title of this topic is certainly uninformed about where Flash is and where it's going, though....
Do you work for Apple that you know what their future plans are for the iPad? If so what are future updates going to contain?
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Flash is more than movies or menus.

When Flex was introduced, it revolutionized how Flash application programming could be done. With Flex, it is possible to support actual object level programming. You can do the same thing with HTML5 and Javascript for sure but Flex marries the interface design to the logic in a more elegant way. I agree that the Flash runtime has always been a resource hog and Adobe should work out the best way to maximize its potentials on mobile platforms. Advances in the mobile requirements will trickle back to the desktop and will result in a better Flash experience for everyone.

Apple doesn't like Flash being available for the iPhone OS simply because of its App Store. It has dictatorial control of the whole platform. It gets money from every app deployed to the iPhone/iTouch/iPad. If Flash was ever made available for it, their revenue stream could be sucked dry. No matter what they say about performance, etc. their bottom line is simply that, the bottom line.
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I agree with that. I think the biggest part of Apple's hatred of flash is knowing that a lot of their app store that's making them a boatload of money are things you can do online for free using Flash. Lots of the games, etc.
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Flash is more than movies or menus.
Apple doesn't like Flash being available for the iPhone OS simply because of its App Store. It has dictatorial control of the whole platform. It gets money from every app deployed to the iPhone/iTouch/iPad. If Flash was ever made available for it, their revenue stream could be sucked dry. No matter what they say about performance, etc. their bottom line is simply that, the bottom line.
Allowing Flash on the iPhone would have no impact on the App Store. It would have the reverse effect because Flash developers could submit their Flash applications to the App Store.

The big problem with Flash on the Mac platform (and Adobe has admitted this) is the fact that Flash is a resource and battery hog. Adobe has said they are working on improving Flash performance on the Mac platform.
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It would have impact as so many of the games, apps etc. are things you can find websites to play/use for free using web-based flash applications.
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140,000 apps in the App Store and developers have to have their apps "Approved" for content for them to be made available for sale.

Millions of Flash Games and no way for Apple to stop them from getting on the system once they let Flash on.
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Allowing Flash on the iPhone would have no impact on the App Store. It would have the reverse effect because Flash developers could submit their Flash applications to the App Store.

The big problem with Flash on the Mac platform (and Adobe has admitted this) is the fact that Flash is a resource and battery hog. Adobe has said they are working on improving Flash performance on the Mac platform.
Flash apps can already go in the app store. Adobe just released a flash to iPhone compiler not too long ago.
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Flash apps can already go in the app store. Adobe just released a flash to iPhone compiler not too long ago.
As a developer, I would hate to "satisfy" the Apple group just so that my application would be deemed appropriate for their store. There may be a cross compiler to convert from Flash to Carbon but I would be hesitant. Is it even possible to run the converting environment on a non-Apple device?
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