Notion Ink Adam (the one with a PixelQi display) gets final specs, price and date

[BKeeper]

Originally Posted by LDBoblo

Could we not call it an [insert product name] killer?

Well that was absolutely tongue-in-cheek. I guess instead of I should have used to make it clear.

Originally Posted by Bob Russell

Plus, I wonder when they talk about tight coupling between Android and the hardware, as well as a much improved UI. Does that mean lots of customization that will prevent device owners from getting timely updates of new Android versions? Or is that referring to something that is released along with new Android versions?!

That's the question.

I really hope that's not the case. I you lose the ecosystem you lose the Android advantage. Then again Android it's already pretty fragmented.
I guess they will release a custom skin (like HTC does).
They want to do some custom things with user interaction, involving gestures and accelerometers....
I guess that's why they want to release their own SDK...
As the Android code gets more tablet friendly this will no longer be an issue.

Originally Posted by thomman

Having said that, I believe even 1000 apps can be plenty if they are all useful/good quality. I have an iPod touch, and I have less than 5 apps that I use regularly, and less than 30 apps installed. For my purposes, I dont see any difference between Android store and Apple store.

Exactly, I just need a decent ebook app, pdf viewer, media player, and a browser.
(Hell, I might just run Ubuntu and Calibre..... )

Anyway, they know that app and content distribution will be really important, they are expected to compete with Apple.

[insert Apple/Adam joke]

[SCION]

Originally Posted by thomman

...Having said that, I believe even 1000 apps can be plenty if they are all useful/good quality. I have an iPod touch, and I have less than 5 apps that I use regularly, and less than 30 apps installed. For my purposes, I dont see any difference between Android store and Apple store....

I'm in the same group as you when it comes to few (useful) apps on my device.

[Demas]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/16/n...o-at-mwc-2010/

[wodin]

Originally Posted by thomman

Not true - the iPhone applications will work as is on iPad, in a window (which I guess will be the same size as the current iPhone screen). The applications can be (re)written to take advantage of the new capabilities and bigger screen, but not necessary.

Why would anyone want to carry around a ten inch device in order to run apps in a window that's the same size as an iPhone?

[LDBoblo]

Originally Posted by Demas

You're reading waaay too much into it and putting the emphasis on the wrong words... "claimed" is more important, particularly since Gizmodo's chart is just a reproduction of Technoholik's chart, which, undoubtedly, was produced by Technoholik for the sake of forcing the iPad comparison and taking advantage of iPad buzz.
...
Either way, launching into disparaging "unicorn" rants about inconsistency is premature without knowing the source of inconsistency. An official website should generally be given more weight than an unverified second hand reference by an reasonable skeptic.

No, I'm not reading into anything. The Gizmodo post made an explicit claim that the chart they posted was provided by Notion Ink. No between-the-lines reading, simply pointing out a claim, which is why the original poster and a few others believed that the information came from Notion Ink. I honestly don't care what the company has to say until they have a semi-final product. Even their prototype at MWC was not working, and to compensate they had to produce a crappy quality video.

I in no way said I believe Gizmodo's posts. In fact, I generally am happy to disregard claims made in Engadget, Slashear, and Gizmodo.

However, I believe nothing from Notion Ink yet. I am hopeful, but I have no reason to trust their claims until they actually produce something real.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by wodin

Why would anyone want to carry around a ten inch device in order to run apps in a window that's the same size as an iPhone?

Huh? You can run them full screen... it does some kind of pixel doubling.

BOb

[Demas]

Originally Posted by LDBoblo

No, I'm not reading into anything.

Actually you did.

Originally Posted by LDBoblo

Inconsistency in claims undermines trust.

Which ONLY has relevant meaning if you read into the claims: 1) As coming from Notion Ink; and 2) As being deceptive.

If the claims come from another source, there should be no reduction in trust. And if the claims are accurate (yes, BOTH claims could be accurate, though unlikely) there's no reduction of trust. You most certainly were reading into the claims (unless you enjoy saying truisms for no reason).

The great irony of this is that you've just undermined your own credibility by having "inconsistency" between what claiming you made no assumptions and what you actually said. Should we not trust you now? Or do the reasonable thing and just assume it was a mistake?

[LDBoblo]

Originally Posted by Demas

Actually you did.

Which ONLY has relevant meaning if you read into the claims: 1) As coming from Notion Ink; and 2) As being deceptive.

If the claims come from another source, there should be no reduction in trust. And if the claims are accurate (yes, BOTH claims could be accurate, though unlikely) there's no reduction of trust. You most certainly were reading into the claims (unless you enjoy saying truisms for no reason).

The great irony of this is that you've just undermined your own credibility by having "inconsistency" between what claiming you made no assumptions and what you actually said. Should we not trust you now? Or do the reasonable thing and just assume it was a mistake?

Actually if you read my previous post, I said it is regardless of where the inconsistency comes from.

Originally Posted by Myself

Well to be fair, Gizmodo claims the chart they posted a snap of was provided by the company. Wherever that lack of consistency comes from, it's really undermining any credibility their claims have.

[dmaul1114]

All the more reason to not pay attention to claims from blogs, manufacturers etc.

I don't pay much attention to any device until it's on the market and I can read impressions from actual users on how much battery life they're getting etc. etc. as that's the only real indicator of actual performance (than and trying it yourself of course).

[guyanonymous]

Here's more info from...ahem...Engadget (including video from today). http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/16/n...o-at-mwc-2010/

[Demas]

Originally Posted by LDBoblo

Actually if you read my previous post, I said it is regardless of where the inconsistency comes from.

Which is a completely unreasonable position, which I highlighted with my 2-factor test above. Watch:

"LDBoblo is a pathological liar."
"No, I'm not!"
"Well, sorry, that's an inconsistency therefore your claims are automatically suspect!"
"But I'M the one being described, the source!"
"Yeah, but I'm a second-hand 'regardless of where' the inconsistent info comes from, so there."
"Dammit."

You're entitled to be as mistrusting as you want to be, I suppose, but it this particular rationale isn't convincing.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by David Marseilles

The title is a little deceptive. We don't have a price (any more than me stating that I'm between 4' and 8' tells you how tall I am), and June has been the expected month of release a couple of months. Maybe just "... gets official specs". I was actually looking forward to discovering what the final price was when I clicked.

This would be a sorry time to release a tablet that won't support SDXC. It's certainly not clear by their spec sheet that they will.

SDXC is a full size SD slot. So no, it's not supported.

[LDBoblo]

Originally Posted by Demas

Which is a completely unreasonable position, which I highlighted with my 2-factor test above. Watch:

"LDBoblo is a pathological liar."
"No, I'm not!"
"Well, sorry, that's an inconsistency therefore your claims are automatically suspect!"
"But I'M the one being described, the source!"
"Yeah, but I'm a second-hand 'regardless of where' the inconsistent info comes from, so there."
"Dammit."

You're entitled to be as mistrusting as you want to be, I suppose, but it this particular rationale isn't convincing.

Your argument dances too closely to the liar paradox. To make the parallel correct, you would need to claim that I said I was a pathological liar (which invokes liar paradox problems), and thus it would be impossible for the source to refute. That's not the case here.

In this case, we have journalists on one of the largest technology reporting sites claiming to cite the company as the source of product information, and the source has not issued any corrections or comments. (this DOES undermine my "regardless" comment, which I'll admit)

You are now reading into my statement regarding trust and stretching its application.

[dmaul1114]

I'm not seeing the point of this argument.

It's always good to have a healthy dose of skepticism about claims about devices that are in development. Pretty much every company in history over promises and under delivers at least some of the time when talking about future products.

Just ignore the hype, wait until devices are out, and see if the actual performance fits your needs. I couldn't care less if I "trust" a company--they're all out to make as much money as possible, and none should be trusted. I care if their product fits my needs and budget. If it does I'll buy it regardless of what their marketing, early specs etc. were.

[Marseille]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

SDXC is a full size SD slot. So no, it's not supported.

Thanks for that.