My Iliad experience - Page 4

Xsavior · 06-16-2006, 07:21 AM

Hi Henrycat, i know some one asked about the note taking capability, but i was wondering how drawing works? I npticed a "Building plan" sort of picture that some one drew on the iliad web site, and since the touch technology is made by Wacom, that does some of the finest drawing tablets out there, what is your opinion? is it pressure sensitive with greyscale? is it fast enough to feel good sketching on?

THanks for everything... and maybe this is because i'm new.. but what is the link to your pictures and videos? I'm having a hard time finding it...

tribble · 06-16-2006, 07:37 AM

hehe, Henrycat didnt post any vids yet. Hope he had time to do some yesterday and finds the time to upload them here today.

Most of the other images he took you can find here:
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&page=2&pp=15
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&page=5&pp=15

Henrycat · 06-20-2006, 04:14 AM

Sorry but my motherboard died last tuesday, probably from a current spike (there was a big storm in portugal at the time). Hope thats the only thing that went dead :|

Today i shouldget the new motherboard, and then i only have to save the videos from the camera, and tomorrow upload them somewhere.

Anyone know some place where i can upload by http, since i can't use ftp here at work, and i still dont have internet working where i live...

Alexander Turcic · 06-20-2006, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrycat

Anyone know some place where i can upload by http, since i can't use ftp here at work, and i still dont have internet working where i live...

I'll get something ready for you, Henrique.

RibRdb2 · 06-21-2006, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henrycat

Anyone know some place where i can upload by http, since i can't use ftp here at work, and i still dont have internet working where i live...

What about Google Video?

Henrycat · 06-23-2006, 05:02 AM

Sorry but yesterday i forgot the cd in my computer at home

Anyway, i have upload the files in a rar to rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.de/files/23860907/films.rar

If anyone wants a video from something specific just let me know. now that i have everything ready it shouldn't take so long -_-'

About the videos:

berserk pdf.avi - opened the pdf with 4 volumes of berserk, 819 pages, about 120 megabytes.

honor keyboard.avi - Close up to the keyboard.

honor pdf.avi - Open Honor 9, 991 pages, about 2,5 megabytes.

links in htm.avi - Close up to the links in the 1632 from Baen in htm. (hard to "click" on the numbers)

open htm and change font size.avi - Open 1632 from Baen in htm, and

change font size (the viewer doesn't change page)

open htm change font flip page.avi - Open a chapter htm, change font, and change page.

writing.avi - writing speed on the Iliad.

I'm sure Alexander will organize them very nicely and orderly

The weird videos are because i rotated the videos from landscape to portrait, i hope the videos work ok for everyone

ali · 06-23-2006, 05:30 AM

oh boy.

In those videos, page flips take 4 to 5 seconds. That's ridiculous. .9 seconds are in the specs, and already the 2 seconds that were discussed earlier were generally considered too slow.

FIVE SECONDS?

I mean ... FIVE? I can boil coffee, drink it, die from a heart attack, get medical treatment and return to my desk in that time. FIVE?

I already ordered one. There's a chance there'll be one iLiad on eBay soon.

oh woe.

imagine reading "And then Henry's cat got entangled in the power cable, pulling the hair dryer slowly towards the bath tub, when all of a sudden" *click* twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five *snooooore*

tribble · 06-23-2006, 05:30 AM

Nice videos Henrycat. Thanks.
You can see, that iRex should definately implement a caching function for following pages. Page flips take too long

The notetaking seems quite fast. Thats nice.
Cant wait to test it for myself.

tribble · 06-23-2006, 05:32 AM

Ali:.9 seconds is for the actual image flip. the other four to 8 seconds go into the rendering time for the page. I hope they can eliminate that time by prerendering the following page.

Henrycat · 06-23-2006, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

Ali:.9 seconds is for the actual image flip. the other four to 8 seconds go into the rendering time for the page. I hope they can eliminate that time by prerendering the following page.

Seems precaching won't be working in this month update, but should be ok in September.

They are finishing the "final" pdf and htm viewers (the current are only conversions of open source viewers if i remember right).

Look for the blinking light. The time between it stops blinking and finishes the refresh should give an idea of the real refresh time.

I'm used to the Librie refresh so i don't really mind, i suppose my mind shuts down and waits till the next page pops up (ot 5 secs if the power goes out)

CommanderROR · 06-23-2006, 07:01 AM

First of all:

Nice vids Henrycat! Actually I should be cursing you now because you have reawakened my interest for the Iliad after I had sworn not to buy anything from that shoddy company...^^
The text-layout looks good, navigation looks good and everything is nicely designed.

BUT:

The time it takes to load files and especially to flip pages is ENORMOUS! I have seen the vids of the Hanlin V8 that uses a 48Mhz processor and almost 0 RAM and it's alot faster at page-turning thatn the Iliad is althugh the actual screen-refresh is about the same. You can view the vids at youtube if you don't believe me or can't remember...

Is iRex working on these issues? How is battery life at the moment? Oh and btw...it the load takes so long because of the device reading from the CF card...will a fast card make a difference? does it load faster from onboard memory?

Thanks for all the good work you are putting in for us Henrycat!
Now if only I coul get an invite, I could start seriously fretting about which device to get. I like the Hanlins because I like the company and the devices (at least the V8) seem to be working well (and adaptation seems to be improving), but the Iliad has a strong attraction because it's very...geeky and also doens't look so much like cheap plastic...

Henrycat · 06-23-2006, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommanderROR

First of all:

Nice vids Henrycat! Actually I should be cursing you now because you have reawakened my interest for the Iliad after I had sworn not to buy anything from that shoddy company...^^
The text-layout looks good, navigation looks good and everything is nicely designed.

Maybe you could send them an email to let them know what you think

Quote:

BUT:

The time it takes to load files and especially to flip pages is ENORMOUS! I have seen the vids of the Hanlin V8 that uses a 48Mhz processor and almost 0 RAM and it's alot faster at page-turning thatn the Iliad is althugh the actual screen-refresh is about the same. You can view the vids at youtube if you don't believe me or can't remember...

Like i have said before, this time is do to no page caching, and use of the "non-final" viewers. It seems the viewers available now really aren't optimized, and so take a lot of extra time.

Quote:

Is iRex working on these issues? How is battery life at the moment? Oh and btw...it the load takes so long because of the device reading from the CF card...will a fast card make a difference? does it load faster from onboard memory?

Yes they are working on the new viewers, including the encrypted format viewer that will make everyone real glad

Next week there should be a new update, that will give me the 10-20 hour battery life.

The loading time is mainly due to the viewer. The Berserk video was loaded from internal memory. The rest from the CF card. It really doesn't seem to make any difference.

Quote:

Thanks for all the good work you are putting in for us Henrycat!
Now if only I coul get an invite, I could start seriously fretting about which device to get. I like the Hanlins because I like the company and the devices (at least the V8) seem to be working well (and adaptation seems to be improving), but the Iliad has a strong attraction because it's very...geeky and also doens't look so much like cheap plastic...

Just ask Alexander, it seems he knows of a way to get an invite

yokos · 06-23-2006, 08:22 AM

@ Henrycat:
Thank you for your videos; you saved my day! You published "irex-in-action"-videos what irex should have done months ago.
@ all:
# Time of fliping pages could be better, but is not so annoyiny as i thought before seeing it "live". [problem of viewer as said]
# Notetaking looks great.

CommanderROR · 06-23-2006, 08:23 AM

I've sent numerous emails to them over the last months and only ever received a reply when my mails were routed via www.ebookmedia.de (jörg Wrobel). But apparently he isn't recieving replies from iRex anymore either...although his role is b2b...somethig is still very wrong with their communications.

About Alexanders way...I thought that stopped working?

ali · 06-23-2006, 08:27 AM

Sorry, but no, precaching does not solve this problem, at least not for me.

If you actually look through a pdf page by page and spend time on each page, it will work.

However, if you skim through something - say, a scientific paper - it doesn't help at all. I read papers not in linear order, I'm jumping all the time.

So obviously there is something needed that uses pre-rendered images instead of letting the pdf rendering happen on the device. That should be possible (no zoom though), and it will not affect storage size: a 900x700 16-grayscales gif should be around 60k.

06-23-2006, 05:02 AM	#51
Henrycat Zealot Posts: 149 Karma: 1146 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pernes. A small village in Portugal. Device: Kindle Voyage	Sorry but yesterday i forgot the cd in my computer at home Anyway, i have upload the files in a rar to rapidshare. http://rapidshare.de/files/23860907/films.rar If anyone wants a video from something specific just let me know. now that i have everything ready it shouldn't take so long -_-' About the videos: berserk pdf.avi - opened the pdf with 4 volumes of berserk, 819 pages, about 120 megabytes. honor keyboard.avi - Close up to the keyboard. honor pdf.avi - Open Honor 9, 991 pages, about 2,5 megabytes. links in htm.avi - Close up to the links in the 1632 from Baen in htm. (hard to "click" on the numbers) open htm and change font size.avi - Open 1632 from Baen in htm, and change font size (the viewer doesn't change page) open htm change font flip page.avi - Open a chapter htm, change font, and change page. writing.avi - writing speed on the Iliad. I'm sure Alexander will organize them very nicely and orderly The weird videos are because i rotated the videos from landscape to portrait, i hope the videos work ok for everyone Last edited by Henrycat; 06-23-2006 at 05:08 AM.

06-23-2006, 07:01 AM	#56
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	First of all: Nice vids Henrycat! Actually I should be cursing you now because you have reawakened my interest for the Iliad after I had sworn not to buy anything from that shoddy company...^^ The text-layout looks good, navigation looks good and everything is nicely designed. BUT: The time it takes to load files and especially to flip pages is ENORMOUS! I have seen the vids of the Hanlin V8 that uses a 48Mhz processor and almost 0 RAM and it's alot faster at page-turning thatn the Iliad is althugh the actual screen-refresh is about the same. You can view the vids at youtube if you don't believe me or can't remember... Is iRex working on these issues? How is battery life at the moment? Oh and btw...it the load takes so long because of the device reading from the CF card...will a fast card make a difference? does it load faster from onboard memory? Thanks for all the good work you are putting in for us Henrycat! Now if only I coul get an invite, I could start seriously fretting about which device to get. I like the Hanlins because I like the company and the devices (at least the V8) seem to be working well (and adaptation seems to be improving), but the Iliad has a strong attraction because it's very...geeky and also doens't look so much like cheap plastic... Last edited by CommanderROR; 06-23-2006 at 07:03 AM.

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06-16-2006, 07:21 AM	#46
Xsavior Coveter of eInk Posts: 36 Karma: 19 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vermont, US Device: Treo 700p, Sony Reader	Hi Henrycat, i know some one asked about the note taking capability, but i was wondering how drawing works? I npticed a "Building plan" sort of picture that some one drew on the iliad web site, and since the touch technology is made by Wacom, that does some of the finest drawing tablets out there, what is your opinion? is it pressure sensitive with greyscale? is it fast enough to feel good sketching on? THanks for everything... and maybe this is because i'm new.. but what is the link to your pictures and videos? I'm having a hard time finding it...

06-16-2006, 07:37 AM	#47
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	hehe, Henrycat didnt post any vids yet. Hope he had time to do some yesterday and finds the time to upload them here today. Most of the other images he took you can find here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&page=2&pp=15 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...2&page=5&pp=15

06-20-2006, 04:14 AM	#48
Henrycat Zealot Posts: 149 Karma: 1146 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Pernes. A small village in Portugal. Device: Kindle Voyage	Sorry but my motherboard died last tuesday, probably from a current spike (there was a big storm in portugal at the time). Hope thats the only thing that went dead :\| Today i shouldget the new motherboard, and then i only have to save the videos from the camera, and tomorrow upload them somewhere. Anyone know some place where i can upload by http, since i can't use ftp here at work, and i still dont have internet working where i live...

06-23-2006, 05:30 AM	#52
ali Addict Posts: 302 Karma: 116 Join Date: May 2006 Device: Iliad, dude!	oh boy. In those videos, page flips take 4 to 5 seconds. That's ridiculous. .9 seconds are in the specs, and already the 2 seconds that were discussed earlier were generally considered too slow. FIVE SECONDS? I mean ... FIVE? I can boil coffee, drink it, die from a heart attack, get medical treatment and return to my desk in that time. FIVE? I already ordered one. There's a chance there'll be one iLiad on eBay soon. oh woe. imagine reading "And then Henry's cat got entangled in the power cable, pulling the hair dryer slowly towards the bath tub, when all of a sudden" click twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five snooooore

06-23-2006, 05:32 AM	#54
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	Ali:.9 seconds is for the actual image flip. the other four to 8 seconds go into the rendering time for the page. I hope they can eliminate that time by prerendering the following page.

06-23-2006, 08:22 AM	#58
yokos Pac-Man caught my iLiad. Posts: 807 Karma: 3595 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany; next to Baltic Sea Device: Boox Max Lumi, iRex iLiad (RIP)	@ Henrycat: Thank you for your videos; you saved my day! You published "irex-in-action"-videos what irex should have done months ago. @ all: # Time of fliping pages could be better, but is not so annoyiny as i thought before seeing it "live". [problem of viewer as said] # Notetaking looks great.

06-23-2006, 08:23 AM	#59
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,022 Karma: 4924 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	I've sent numerous emails to them over the last months and only ever received a reply when my mails were routed via www.ebookmedia.de (jörg Wrobel). But apparently he isn't recieving replies from iRex anymore either...although his role is b2b...somethig is still very wrong with their communications. About Alexanders way...I thought that stopped working?

06-23-2006, 08:27 AM	#60
ali Addict Posts: 302 Karma: 116 Join Date: May 2006 Device: Iliad, dude!	Sorry, but no, precaching does not solve this problem, at least not for me. If you actually look through a pdf page by page and spend time on each page, it will work. However, if you skim through something - say, a scientific paper - it doesn't help at all. I read papers not in linear order, I'm jumping all the time. So obviously there is something needed that uses pre-rendered images instead of letting the pdf rendering happen on the device. That should be possible (no zoom though), and it will not affect storage size: a 900x700 16-grayscales gif should be around 60k.

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