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And I'm referring to the approximately 99.9% of people who do upload, at the very least whilst downloading, if not to a full 1:1 ratio.
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Well, yeah.
Just clean all the junk out of your garage/attic/spare room and put it out on the curb/roadside with a "Free Stuff" sign and see how long it lasts. Of course, if one of them is a Rolls or Jaguar, let me know before you put it out. ![]() eGeezer And I don't use the signature feature cuz I can't find where to set a signature (and the avatar selection doesn't seem to work for me, either) Last edited by eGeezer; 10-21-2009 at 02:23 PM. Reason: add signature note, lol |
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This issue is a lot bigger than p2p. There are many ways to download on the internet that don't have any association with uploading or sharing. It's the same principle when people bought Orwell eBooks from Amazon a while ago. They weren't committing infringement either, even though Amazon was. Receiving copyrighted material does not require authorization. Distributing copyrighted material does. The responsibility is on the distributor, it has nothing to do with what technology is involved. |
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Many people make the mistake of automatically throwing all p2p activity into the "it must be illegal because it's p2p" category. There are also a lot of sources trying to convince people that "downloading" is illegal. Neither is true. |
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Authorization, of course, can come from either the copyright holder or from 'authorized use' provisions of the copyright law. I'd like to compare it to receiving stolen goods (if you know they're stolen, it's a crime-if you don't, it isn't but you still need to pay restitution in some fashion, usually by returning the goods if possible & by paying for them, again, if not) but I'm not totally certain whether this is the law or just how it's practiced. Last edited by calvin-c; 10-21-2009 at 05:16 PM. Reason: Added comment |
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i admit i have downloaded a lot of books illegally over p2p networks, purely because its the only real way to get eBooks in Australia. I would be happy to pay for my eBooks, but as usual, Australian publishers, (like the music and movie industry) are so far behind the 8ball its not funny. They have this stupid notion that eBooks are going to kill their business bla bla bla. The only thing that is going to kill their business is inaction! If they wait to long, people that have and will buy eReaders will figure out that p2p can give them what they want, then it will be to late for legitimate stores to open.
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Not surprising with music it's easy to find a site and download free music. In that case something like Zune pass would be a good idea for all MP3 stores to use. With ebooks it's the fact that you can only read their book on their device. This limits the choice of the buyer and for some will lead them to illegal download sites. I myself want to be able to buy from all ebook stores but am limited to a few because of this DRM nonsense. They don't seem to want my money so I will save it for something else. If push comes to shove I may be forced to find other ways to get some books. This is why DRM at some point should be dropped.
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If one downloads a file that is under copyright and they do not have authorisation to make copies of that work they are in effect making an "unauthorised copy" of that file on their computer. I don't pretend to know the technicalities of the law exactly though and it was my understanding(as I've previously stated!) that it is the uploaders responsibility to ensure they have they relevant authoristion for making copies. Cheers, PKFFW |
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Laws made like you theorize in your first paragraph would mean that if I posted one of the Harry Potter books in plaintext (or even just a few chapters thereof) into a thread, all the people that viewed it (including the moderator who eventually removes it) would be guilty of copyright infringement and liable to full prosecution and penalties. Even if they only realized it was copyrighted after the page fully loaded, no account of my titling the post "Hot deal on the PRS-600". (Viewing a webpage does COPY data from the internet onto your computer, you know!) - Ahi |
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On the flip side, if you posted it clearly and unambiguously as what it was, then the downloaders very likely are violating copyright law. Lets look at it this way. If person A has a legally purchased CD (I am using something where the medium and the media are tied together to simplify things) and lends it to person B, then everything is fine. Person B has a legal right to listen to that CD. However, lets say that person B asks person A to make a copy of the CD for him and person A complies. Now both person B and person A have violated copyright law; person A actually has made the copy, but person B caused the copy to be made. Now lets assume that the original CD was an illegal copy. B is still guilty of violating copyright because he caused an additional illegal copy to be made. Now on the flip side, if person A lead person B to believe that the CD contained music owned by person A, then requesting a copy does not make B guilty of violating copyright because B believed it was legal to make that copy. Downloading is the same thing. Person B is taking a copyrighted file and making a copy of that file which B did not pay for and which otherwise does not fit under fair use. We are not talking about making copies that person B did not realize violated copyright. -- Bill |
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The one thing that some people have tried to argue is that downloaders are committing contributory copyright infringement (IE an indirect infringement). However, that has never been tried successfully in court as far as I know, and the law was not written with the intent of being applied to somebody downloading material. |
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The downloader requests a copy, the uploader gives it to them. The downloader never has direct access to the original file, and cannot make a copy themselves. Forget about the technology involved, it doesn't matter. Think about if you walk into a book store and ask the clerk for a book behind the counter. He pulls it off the shelf, makes a photocopy of it, and gives you the photocopy. The original book remained in his possession the entire time. Who committed infringement? |
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