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Old 09-18-2009, 09:09 AM   #46
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Am I relieved to hear you say that. My optometrist said he had never seen someone near sighted in one eye and far sighted in the other like I am. Must have been a symptom of our era as I'm 50 also. And though glare is the thing my eyes are most sensitive to now days, if it isn't a problem for you I don't think it would be for me.

You ever have to resort to a pair of off-the-shelf reading glasses? Had to decide if I wanted to get a headache behind my left eye or my right eye. This getting old thing sucks but I guess it's better than the alternative.
I wish I could tell you my eye problems are the same as yours but I'm afraid they aren't. I am very nearsighted and have had to wear corrective lenses FOREVER!! In the last few years, I've had to start using reading glasses, too. My optometrist talked me in to wearing one contact lens to correct my near vision and one contect lens to correct my far vision which is called Monovision. So, no longer do I see in Stereo like normal people. It can be annoying sometimes because nothing is every really clear, either close or far, but at least I don't have to go looking for my reading glasses all the time (and I look less like an old lady ).

Because of my monovision, clarity is a real issue for me which is why I don't quite understand all the complaints about the crispness of the display or the glare on the 600. The display is much better than on my 700 and I've been loving that reader since I got it last December.
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Old 09-18-2009, 09:11 AM   #47
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Yes - one has to wonder why Sony did not use a capacitive touch screen mounted behind the display. For me this seems to be the only way to go for eInk displays.

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Martin, is that the same technology that is used on the Palm Pre? I have one of those and I love it. The only problem is that you can't use a stylus on it, so you couldn't make handwritten notes. I do think the technology on my Pre is pretty cool, though!
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Martin, is that the same technology that is used on the Palm Pre? I have one of those and I love it. The only problem is that you can't use a stylus on it, so you couldn't make handwritten notes. I do think the technology on my Pre is pretty cool, though!
Yes - Palm pre is in the list I found:

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Examples of consumer devices using projected capacitive touchscreens include Apple Inc.'s iPhone and iPod Touch, HTC's G1, HTC Magic and HTC Hero, Palm Inc.'s Palm Pre and Palm Pixi and more recently the LG KM900 Arena, Microsoft's Zune HD, Sony Walkman X series and Sony Ericsson's Aino.
And you can use a stylus - but it has to be made of a conductive material.
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I did recently have another look at the 600 and I did notice something. That the glare on the 600 can both be better or worse then on the 300 or 505. It depends I guess on the angle the light is shining on the screens.
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Yes - one has to wonder why Sony did not use a capacitive touch screen mounted behind the display. For me this seems to be the only way to go for eInk displays.

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Resistive touch is so 2003 . When the main mission of a device is for reading anything introduced into the design that reduces readability simply does not make sense (to me) - I have a PRS-505 and the screen on that of course is superb - I also picked up a kindle DX (for my pdf's) and that screen is also very very good. The 700 was a complete tragedy; and while not as bad as the 700, the 600 still does not cut it for me. (and it would seem quite a few others)

In my opinion companies should be working on faster refresh rates, higher contrast, less glare (YES I went there JS wolf) and color and leave touch to a time when they can implement it without interfering with the screen or making it so ridiculously expensive that no one can afford it (*cough* *cough* irex). If plastic logic can make their device sub $500 I think they might do well.

I won’t get into the content partner discussion which is a serious flaw with many of the readers relegating them dorks like us who are willing to download from various sources, and adapt what we want to read to work on our devices. (Whoops I just did get into it). Sony has the second best content setup so they can make it work with the right device. (you guys know the first I won’t say it, but it rhymes with lindle)

I want to throw this out for thought - what other readers besides the 600, 700 and upcoming 900 have had so many threads regarding the poor display quality? I think other than a few isolated discussion, none come anywhere close. In my opinion Sony has gone in a completely wrong direction with their touch screen line and I predict like the 700 before it, the 600 and 900 will be novelty purchases but overall a dismal failure as a product line.

I like the Sony products overall, and the 505 in my opinion will be an iconic symbol of how to do it right for years to come. I hope Sony hires some better design engineers for the reader line and can turn back on course
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Resistive touch is so 2003 . When the main mission of a device is for reading anything introduced into the design that reduces readability simply does not make sense (to me) - I have a PRS-505 and the screen on that of course is superb - I also picked up a kindle DX (for my pdf's) and that screen is also very very good. The 700 was a complete tragedy; and while not as bad as the 700, the 600 still does not cut it for me. (and it would seem quite a few others)

In my opinion companies should be working on faster refresh rates, higher contrast, less glare (YES I went there JS wolf) and color and leave touch to a time when they can implement it without interfering with the screen or making it so ridiculously expensive that no one can afford it (*cough* *cough* irex). If plastic logic can make their device sub $500 I think they might do well.

I won’t get into the content partner discussion which is a serious flaw with many of the readers relegating them dorks like us who are willing to download from various sources, and adapt what we want to read to work on our devices. (Whoops I just did get into it). Sony has the second best content setup so they can make it work with the right device. (you guys know the first I won’t say it, but it rhymes with lindle)

I want to throw this out for thought - what other readers besides the 600, 700 and upcoming 900 have had so many threads regarding the poor display quality? I think other than a few isolated discussion, none come anywhere close. In my opinion Sony has gone in a completely wrong direction with their touch screen line and I predict like the 700 before it, the 600 and 900 will be novelty purchases but overall a dismal failure as a product line.

I like the Sony products overall, and the 505 in my opinion will be an iconic symbol of how to do it right for years to come. I hope Sony hires some better design engineers for the reader line and can turn back on course
Considering that you've posted your feelings *strongly* in almost all of them, I would think you could tell us how many there are.

My 2 cents (and even with inflation they are still only worth 2 cents ):

The problem isn't so much the technology, but the cost of the technology. To keep the costs down, so that readers are affordable to the masses (which is how companies make there money and stay in business, after all), companies like Sony and Amazon can't use the latest and greatest developments in the technological arena. They have to go with something that does a good job and can be cheaply manufactured and then sold to the greatest amount of consumers. That explains Sony's decision to update the 700 to the 600. It may not be perfect, but it meets my needs very well.
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Old 09-18-2009, 01:14 PM   #52
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Considering that you've posted your feelings *strongly* in almost all of them, I would think you could tell us how many there are.

My 2 cents (and even with inflation they are still only worth 2 cents ):

The problem isn't so much the technology, but the cost of the technology. To keep the costs down, so that readers are affordable to the masses (which is how companies make there money and stay in business, after all), companies like Sony and Amazon can't use the latest and greatest developments in the technological arena. They have to go with something that does a good job and can be cheaply manufactured and then sold to the greatest amount of consumers. That explains Sony's decision to update the 700 to the 600. It may not be perfect, but it meets my needs very well.
I agree, the cost of capacitive touch and or wacom stylus technology would add more to the cost of the device. My position is that rather than compomise the intended use of the device, I would (and this is totally my opinion) leave touch out of the device until such time as it can cost effectively be integrated without effecting the clarity of the reader.

With regards to the amount of discussions I have commented in - there are more than a few, just shy of a bunch and far short of an avalanche. To be fair my comments come second in frequency and with more variation than a certain other commenter with Lupine tendencies...

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while the site says 7" diagonal the original press release said

"The seven-inch wide, touch screen display provides for intuitive navigation and comfortable layout of content, including newspapers and magazines, whether you’re reading in portrait or landscape orientation. In portrait mode, about 30-35 lines of text are visible, making the experience very similar to that of a printed paperback book."

so one of these is wrong.
Perhaps not. In TV displays wide screen means wide aspect ratio. A 7" wide aspect ratio (16x9) screen would still measure the diagonal. And the picture does indeed look like a wide aspect ratio screen.

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