let's get liseuse recognized as a real word - Page 4

Teyrnon · 09-09-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate the great

It's on the talk page.

Sources and cited examples of use really should be in the article itself. The talk page is for discussion about the article and may not even be looked at by those considering it for deletion.

zelda_pinwheel · 09-09-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Teyrnon

Sources and cited examples of use really should be in the article itself. The talk page is for discussion about the article and may not even be looked at by those considering it for deletion.

well that's a bit silly, what's the talk page for then ?

i've added a link in the article to the french wikipedia page which lists liseuse used in this way.

nate, perhaps you should add a couple of links to blogs directly in the article ?

Juliette · 09-09-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

oh i know. you should hear the way french people pronounce adobe's pdf-reading app : "adobe raïdeur".

Like with leader that becomes something like "lideur"?

GeoffC · 09-09-2009, 09:16 AM

someone uses liseuse as a twitter name ....

zelda_pinwheel · 09-09-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

What, lisuese sounds like a real word and ereader sounds made up?

I meant made up like: just punching a few keys on the keyboard kind of made up...

no, i meant ironic because "ereader" is arguably a made-up word, whereas "liseuse" is actually a real word which has existed probably for centuries.

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That too. In a normal conversation, I always say I'm reading such and such book. Only when they ask if they can borrow the book (or any reference to a physical presence of the book) do I mention I read electronically.

i say "liseuse" when i'm talking about the device. it's not necessarily relevant when i'm talking about what i'm reading.

Teyrnon · 09-09-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

well that's a bit silly, what's the talk page for then ?

Generally speaking, the talk page is often used for arguing what should and should not be in the article.

zelda_pinwheel · 09-09-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Juliette

Like with leader that becomes something like "lideur"?

just like that, yes.

(and don't even get me started on "boollette poïntz"

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zelda_pinwheel · 09-09-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Teyrnon

Generally speaking, the talk page is often used for arguing what should and should not be in the article.

hm, so what about links to blogs / articles using the word ? should those go in the article, or in the talk page ? (i've never edited wikipedia before, i suppose you can tell...

)

also, how do you contest the deletion ? is there something (other than editing the article) we should do ?

Sweetpea · 09-09-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

no, i meant ironic because "ereader" is arguably a made-up word, whereas "liseuse" is actually a real word which has existed probably for centuries.

Even worse. Somebody at some time in history decided to roll some dice then, to form a word... (no keyboars centuries aga!). And now you're recycling that word?

A word should have one meaning. Not several. So, electronic reader (short: ereader) is perfect. Lisuse is not.

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i say "liseuse" when i'm talking about the device. it's not necessarily relevant when i'm talking about what i'm reading.

I just call it my PDA...

Bilbo1967 · 09-09-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

A word should have one meaning. Not several. So, electronic reader (short: ereader) is perfect. Lisuse is not.

Just thinking about that and I would bet that the majority of nouns in the English language have more than one meaning.

Sweetpea · 09-09-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Just thinking about that and I would bet that the majority of nouns in the English language have more than one meaning.

Always maintained it was a weird language

zelda_pinwheel · 09-09-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Just thinking about that and I would bet that the majority of nouns in the English language have more than one meaning.

maybe not the majority but a very high proportion. see homograph.

examples :
shift n. (a change)
shift n. (a period at work)
shift v. (to move quickly)

even more pertinent

read (present tense)
read (past tense)

here's a list : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_homographs

Sparrow · 09-09-2009, 10:15 AM

My homograph is full of eels.

zelda_pinwheel · 09-09-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

My homograph is full of eels.

zelda_pinwheel · 09-09-2009, 10:24 AM

hey nate, the guy who wants to delete the article has replied on the talk page that he still sees no reason for an article separate from the one called "ebook reader". maybe you can suggest merging the two articles ? you could add the text of the "liseuse" page to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-book_reader page and explain it's a synonym. since there is already a page about the devices it does make sense to keep them together. his main argument is that there is not enough use of the word in english, but... english evolves.

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zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	hey nate, the guy who wants to delete the article has replied on the talk page that he still sees no reason for an article separate from the one called "ebook reader". maybe you can suggest merging the two articles ? you could add the text of the "liseuse" page to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-book_reader page and explain it's a synonym. since there is already a page about the devices it does make sense to keep them together. his main argument is that there is not enough use of the word in english, but... english evolves.

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