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I wasn't aware of a meaningful market for reproductions of handmade art.
Regardless, pictures are copyrighted so I don't see why paintings wouldn't also be. ![]() |
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I'm referring to painting/sculptures etc that are made and sold in the creator's lifetime, and quite possibly become very well acknowledged in terms of both art and price in that lifetime. (Well, I'm talking about all art/sculpture irrespective of it's value, because just like an author their writings may never be acknowledged or consider of interest or value) |
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Well, I though the point was the artistic value of the handmade aspect, so why would anyone want a soulless mass-produced fake? Don't people usually get their Art fix in galleries and museums?
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![]() I refer to the original of the art work and the fact there there is no 'royalty' associated with the sale. So, once the creator sells it then it's financial remuneration is satisfied irrespective of mow many times, over x years/centuries, it's on-sold. There apparently is quite a market in art forgeries, but I make no comment about that market. |
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Why on earth would resale get the creator a royalty, any more than resale of used paper books? Or selling a house for the fifteenth time should get the construction crew a new salary??? That has nothing whatsoever to do with copyright! |
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It's really quite straight forward, copyright is the right to copy. The individual works falls under first sale principle, i.e. once the artist sales a painting to someone, he no longer controls what happens to the painting. You can sell it to anyone for however much you like without the artist getting a dime. However, you can't make copies of the painting without the artist permission. |
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Copyright actually originated not to protect artists but as a means of government censorship. It has quite an interesting history. But its reason for existence soon came to be what it ostensibly exists for today. The US Constitution specifies the raison de etre for copyright as:
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Having said this I do believe we need copyright laws, but sane ones which protect authors from exploitation and make sure that the purposes of copyright law are achieved both in theory and in practice. Copyright should certainly extend to the life of the author. And I think there is a strong case for it continuing for some reasonable time after the authors death. But 70 years? And do we continue to pretend that the benefits of copyright extend to authors when the reality is that most have assigned or licensed that property for the whole term of the copyright? Do we continue to pretend that authors or their heirs are making huge amounts in royalties when in fa t this is true of only a very lucky few? And do we continue to pretend that this continuing extension of the copyright term does anything to promote Science or Useful Arts? It is about time for a re-think. |
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I don't actually see a strong case for it continuing past the author's death.
Although I see a strong case for it continuing past the author's death in the specific case where the author did not live very long. EDIT: "live very long" as in after writing the book -- general statistics on longevity in professional writers aren't very meaningful or interesting. So although by rights we should really go back to 14 years with a renewal option for an additional 14 years (total 28) and on a strict opt-in basis (!!!) ... I will be generous and vote for automatic copyright, at life or 50 whichever is longer. Last edited by eschwartz; 05-05-2016 at 12:31 AM. |
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I don't have a problem with Heirs getting some benefit, but like you and for the same reasons I don't think it is appropriate to equate copyright or other intellectual property with tangible property. So many Amazon bashers mistakenly classify Amazon as a monopoly, which is meant as a slur. It assumes a monopoly is a bad thing. And today, with the emphasis on competition policy, it is generally accepted that this is the case. Yet suddenly, when talking about Copyright and other intellectual property, monopoly becomes good? What we have is a case of balancing public policy goals. Competition is good. Monopolies are bad for competition. Encouraging the advancement of science and arts is good. So we encourage it by letting Authors and Inventors have this bad thing, a monopoly. For a limited time. Unfortunately the balance has long been lost. |
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"For example, the addition of twenty years of protection many years in the future, such as occurred when Australia increased term from life plus 50 years to life plus 70 years (a requirement introduced with the Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement) only increases average revenue by 0.33 per cent [...] Indeed, evidence suggests the vast majority of works do not make commercial returns beyond their first couple of years on the market (Australian Copyright Council, sub. 36). The ABS estimates: [...] • literary works provide returns for between 1.4 and 5 years on average. Three quarters of original titles are retired after a year and by 2 years, 90 per cent of originals are out of print. [...] Landes and Posner (2002) argue a term of around 25 years enables rights holders to generate revenue comparable to what they would receive in perpetuity (in present value terms), without imposing onerous costs on consumers5 and suggests that a term of around 25 years is sufficient to incentivise creative effort. However, this is only an indicative period because the lower the discount rate used, the greater the term should be, and the authors used a relatively high real discount rate. In addition, any estimate of optimal term duration must make assumptions about the pattern of demand for the works over time — a difficult task. The truly ‘optimal’ period may accordingly be more or less than 25 years after creation but it is completely implausible it could ever be 70 years after death." I'm guessing that the only works still earning significantly 10-20 years after the death of an author are the Harry-Potter-level blockbusters. In which case I'm guessing that dependent heirs have been rather well cared for already by the rewards earned during the author's lifetime. |
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