Why the limited flash memory? - Page 4

Cinisajoy · 10-29-2015, 12:21 PM

I keep about 5% of my ebooks on an ereader.
Last count total was over 8000.

SleepyBob · 10-29-2015, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No, it was caused by damaged insulation on wires to a "stirring fan" inside an oxygen tank causing a short-circuit which ignited the insulation, leading to an explosion.

Huh. I thought they switched a heater element that used a different voltage, and made their batteries run out. I guess I'm getting old.

Edit2: Ah - this is what I was thinking about:

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The heater and protection thermostats were originally designed for the Command Module's 28-volt DC bus. The specifications for the heater and thermostat were later changed to allow a 65-volt ground supply, in order to pressurize the tanks more rapidly. Beechcraft, the tank subcontractor, did not upgrade the thermostat to handle the higher voltage.

barryem · 10-29-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

Thank Kovid for calibre. I think it's time for another donation.

I've used Calibre for a number of years and it just never occurred to me to make a donation. Thank you for mentioning this. I just made one.

Maybe this should be mentioned more often in posts. The more we mention it the more often people will think of doing it, and Calibre is one of those super useful programs that certainly deserves support.

Barry

Steve H · 10-29-2015, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

For me personally, full-text search is one of the main reasons I buy Kindles. It's a feature that (to the best of my knowledge) no other model of reading device offers.

Once you realize that you can search through every book that you have on your device for words or terms your library comes alive. This is one of the reasons that I hope they will increase the storage on the next gen devices( I have outgrown my Kindle Voyage capacity.

robko · 10-29-2015, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crossi

Putting a larger memory in during construction is just a matter of substititing one widget for another during construction, no change in the architecture or software needed. So if the larger memory cost $2 more than the smaller sell the premium line for $40 more and see if customers bite. No need to build a huge number, just buy a thousand larger memory and if they sell, good buy more, if not you haven't lost much.

Not like designing and setting up manufacturing of a whole new line like the phone.

THIS:

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Originally Posted by SleepyBob

Changes are rarely as simple as end-users assume they are. For all we know, 4GB is a hardcoded constant in the software.

... and the fact that you now have at least 2 SKU's and have to convince retailers to stock both, inventory both (including one which is likely going to move much slower at $40 more), extra inventory costs for the manufacturer etc. While it would seem like a simple solution it's likely not that easy. And at the crux of the problem is still the tiny subset of heavy users (who are a small subset of overall users) for whom the extra memory is must have feature.

PeterT · 10-29-2015, 09:47 PM

Actually, many Kobo users have shown that there are no s/w issues changing from a 2GB to larger size internal SD card.

MikeB1972 · 10-30-2015, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No, it was caused by damaged insulation on wires to a "stirring fan" inside an oxygen tank causing a short-circuit which ignited the insulation, leading to an explosion.

Damn, I thought it was because they put Tom Hanks in charge, completely untrained

disconnected · 10-30-2015, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I have over 2000 books on my Kindle Voyage and don't experience the slowdown you describe. The only thing that slows down for me as I add more books is, as you'd expect, the time taken for a global search.

I've read on Amazon's Kindle forum that the ereaders prior to the Voyage (or possibly just prior to the PW, I can't remember now) had slowdowns and/or crashes if the library was too large. Not just the library on the Kindle itself, but the entire library on the cloud. Some got to the point that the Kindle couldn't be used at all unless all wifi/3G was kept turned off.

HarryT · 10-30-2015, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by disconnected

I've read on Amazon's Kindle forum that the ereaders prior to the Voyage (or possibly just prior to the PW, I can't remember now) had slowdowns and/or crashes if the library was too large. Not just the library on the Kindle itself, but the entire library on the cloud. Some got to the point that the Kindle couldn't be used at all unless all wifi/3G was kept turned off.

Yes, ISTR that there was a problem with large Cloud libraries at one point, but I think it went away a while ago.

misling · 10-30-2015, 10:28 AM

I don't know WHAT causes the slowdown; I assumed it was poor database design. Maybe it's having 6000 items in the cloud instead.
But it definitely happens when I have more than 900 or 1000 books on the kindle itself (it varies a bit how many, probably by size of books). My kindle is a kindle keyboard, as I said.
Maybe newer kindles don't have that problem.
Anyway my point wasn't to argue about whether anybody else sees this problem or where exactly the problem is. My point was it wouldn't help to have larger flash if problems like this exist, where the software/OS doesn't handle large sets of data correctly.

crossi · 10-30-2015, 12:03 PM

The problem wasn't only with large numbers IN the reader. The problems were with large number of books in your account even if you kept only a few on your reader. It was definitely bad software design.

Cinisajoy · 10-30-2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Yes, ISTR that there was a problem with large Cloud libraries at one point, but I think it went away a while ago.

I know not all my books show up in the archive/cloud on my kindles. I think the limit was slightly less than 4600. Note I have older kindles. But there has never been a real slow down.
Now one search went slow and that was in "one" book on my fire. That book is huge. It was a version of the bible.

Tarana · 10-31-2015, 12:24 AM

Most of my readers now have fewer than 100 books on them after I ran into some problems and had to reset to the factory settings twice. Rather painful, but it fixed it. So, rather than reloading all of them, I just limit to current stuff. Like Harry, I like to keep a series together, but I keep the entire series on the reader. When I have finished a book, it goes into COMPLETED in case I need to refer to it while reading a later book. I currently have 2 series on my take-a-long kindle - one is a mystery series and the other science fiction, so I can have a choice.

Now, my choice might be different if I didn't have easy access to a computer at most times. It was kindof a pain when I was caring for a family member away from home and could only update my ipods/readers once every 3 weeks or so. I was just used to instant gratification - it really wasn't a big deal except for library books that invariably became available at times I had no wifi access (no smart phone here). I plan better now that I've had the experience. I also have multiple readers.

Steve H · 10-31-2015, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

For me personally, full-text search is one of the main reasons I buy Kindles. It's a feature that (to the best of my knowledge) no other model of reading device offers.

It is an awesome feature that so few understand exists. Great if you have a lot of reference books.

Steve H · 10-31-2015, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crossi

Is a global search all that useful? I can see searching from within a book like for the first appearance of a character or similar, but I generally know which book something is in.

Let's say that you have a lot of books of a certain type... I have over 100 books on health. Next I would like to find which of my books is the best reference for a term--I enter alpha lipoic acid...the results show ALL locations(and quantity) across all of the books stored on my device...incredibly useful.
If you have a large collection/category you should try a search.

10-30-2015, 10:28 AM	#55
misling Zealot Posts: 106 Karma: 510000 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle	I don't know WHAT causes the slowdown; I assumed it was poor database design. Maybe it's having 6000 items in the cloud instead. But it definitely happens when I have more than 900 or 1000 books on the kindle itself (it varies a bit how many, probably by size of books). My kindle is a kindle keyboard, as I said. Maybe newer kindles don't have that problem. Anyway my point wasn't to argue about whether anybody else sees this problem or where exactly the problem is. My point was it wouldn't help to have larger flash if problems like this exist, where the software/OS doesn't handle large sets of data correctly. Last edited by misling; 10-30-2015 at 10:30 AM.

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10-29-2015, 12:21 PM	#46
Cinisajoy Just a Yellow Smiley. Posts: 19,161 Karma: 83862859 Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Texas Device: K4, K5, fire, kobo, galaxy	I keep about 5% of my ebooks on an ereader. Last count total was over 8000.

10-29-2015, 09:47 PM	#51
PeterT Grand Sorcerer Posts: 13,535 Karma: 78910202 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Device: Libra H2O, Libra Colour	Actually, many Kobo users have shown that there are no s/w issues changing from a 2GB to larger size internal SD card.

10-30-2015, 12:03 PM	#56
crossi Guru Posts: 997 Karma: 12000001 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seattle Wahington U.S. Device: kindle	The problem wasn't only with large numbers IN the reader. The problems were with large number of books in your account even if you kept only a few on your reader. It was definitely bad software design.

10-31-2015, 12:24 AM	#58
Tarana Wizard Posts: 4,038 Karma: 38840460 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Minneapolis Device: PWSE, Voyage, K3, HDX, KBasic 7 & 8, Nook Glo3, Echos, Nanos	Most of my readers now have fewer than 100 books on them after I ran into some problems and had to reset to the factory settings twice. Rather painful, but it fixed it. So, rather than reloading all of them, I just limit to current stuff. Like Harry, I like to keep a series together, but I keep the entire series on the reader. When I have finished a book, it goes into COMPLETED in case I need to refer to it while reading a later book. I currently have 2 series on my take-a-long kindle - one is a mystery series and the other science fiction, so I can have a choice. Now, my choice might be different if I didn't have easy access to a computer at most times. It was kindof a pain when I was caring for a family member away from home and could only update my ipods/readers once every 3 weeks or so. I was just used to instant gratification - it really wasn't a big deal except for library books that invariably became available at times I had no wifi access (no smart phone here). I plan better now that I've had the experience. I also have multiple readers.

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