10-23-2014, 08:01 AM | #46 | |
Gnu
Posts: 1,222
Karma: 15625359
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: UK
Device: BeBook,JetBook Lite,PRS-300-350-505-650,+ran out of space to type
|
Quote:
I've noticed that the anti-DRM crowd always compare with music, why don't the pro-DRM bunch compare with movies? |
|
10-23-2014, 08:21 AM | #47 | ||
The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠
Posts: 71,671
Karma: 306652114
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Norfolk, England
Device: Kindle Voyage
|
Quote:
Quote:
Personally, I don't think that the DRM on DVDs and Blu-Ray does any good for the creators, and like other DRM schemes just annoys the people who actually pay money for content. Pirates, of course, never see the DRM at all. |
||
Advert | |
|
10-23-2014, 08:33 AM | #48 | |
Philosopher
Posts: 2,034
Karma: 18736532
Join Date: Jan 2012
Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2 gen, Kindle Fire 1st Gen, Kindle Touch
|
Quote:
If there was an unbreakable DRM, then why isn't anyone using it? I'm not saying I could break DRM, but that's not the point. Someone could, and it only takes one. If no one breaks your DRM, it's because no one is interested in the content. Last edited by QuantumIguana; 10-23-2014 at 09:15 AM. Reason: rephrasing to avoid ambiguity. |
|
10-23-2014, 09:08 AM | #49 | |
Resident Curmudgeon
Posts: 74,705
Karma: 130140792
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3
|
Quote:
It's not like a DVD where I can play if in my DVD player, my Blu-Ray player, or my parents Blu-Ray player. If I have a Kindle, I cannot buy a DRMed ePub and read it. If I have a Kobo Reader, I cannot buy an eBook from Amazon and read it with a Kobo. It doesn't work that way. Also, the formatting on a lot of eBooks is very poor and needs fixing. I cannot do that with DRM. So no, you cannot compare the DRM of DVD/Blu-Ray to that of eBooks. Also, with eBooks, the Device has to be registered to the same account as the eBook in order to read it with the DRM. A movie can be played in any compatible player with no need to register it. A Region 1 DVD can be played in ANY region 1 DVD/Blu-Ray player in existence. So that movie comparison is a big fat fail. |
|
10-23-2014, 10:31 AM | #50 | |
Zealot
Posts: 108
Karma: 3026116
Join Date: Oct 2014
Device: android
|
Quote:
if you or anybody can break any DRM then is there a crack for lastest version of adept or kindle ? another thing to consider is if breaking drm is so easy then those many peoples spending 10k for adept licensing would be total insane. |
|
Advert | |
|
10-23-2014, 10:45 AM | #51 |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 27,628
Karma: 194727102
Join Date: Jan 2010
Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD
|
Of course there is. There has never been any appreciable amount of time that mobipocket/Amazon or Adobe's Adept encryption couldn't be removed in one way or another.
|
10-23-2014, 10:47 AM | #52 | |||
Award-Winning Participant
Posts: 7,328
Karma: 67930154
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NJ, USA
Device: Kindle
|
Quote:
Amazon's ecosystem is its store, its readers, the integration of the two, and their customer service. DRM has NOTHING to do with why that system is so successful. That system works just fine even with the many non-DRM titles they offer. Other than the fact that many publishers just would not allow their books to be sold without DRM (see below), many of us would argue that Amazon's ecosystem is successful IN SPITE of the DRM, certainly not because of it. Quote:
Google Apprentice Alf. And you might want to do a bit of searching and reading the MANY existing threads on the topic. Quote:
Last edited by ApK; 10-23-2014 at 10:53 AM. |
|||
10-23-2014, 10:59 AM | #53 | ||
Philosopher
Posts: 2,034
Karma: 18736532
Join Date: Jan 2012
Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2 gen, Kindle Fire 1st Gen, Kindle Touch
|
Quote:
Quote:
There are of course, other reasons that businesses would not illegally copy software. The fines can be very steep - that $10,000 saved by illegally copying is more than made up for by the fines that can results. Plus, if you make illegal copies, you won't get support from the company. If your employees attempt to contact customer support, it can tip them off that your company is using their software illegally. Thus we must conclude that it is not insane to purchase software when it could be illegally copied. |
||
10-23-2014, 11:03 AM | #54 |
Zealot
Posts: 108
Karma: 3026116
Join Date: Oct 2014
Device: android
|
i havent tried using any online ( or otherwise ) drm stripper i guess they could be slightly outdated. i always thought hacking and cracking is easier in the initial phase of any evolving technology later that system gets more secure and eventually tradtional hacking becomes useless. take an example of various os tricks that we used to do in past and online hacking and all that talks of sql injection, todays secure financial transactions etc that dont work anymore. today machine are greatly secured and mostly hacking incidents are seem to happen due to negligience simply hecause there is too much to monitor. but if you say newer versions of drms are equally weak then i do not understand why anyone licensing them. but i doubt that in future you can break them so easily.
|
10-23-2014, 11:09 AM | #55 | |
Gnu
Posts: 1,222
Karma: 15625359
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: UK
Device: BeBook,JetBook Lite,PRS-300-350-505-650,+ran out of space to type
|
Quote:
All of which are DRM'd (and I think can all be downloaded for offline viewing, generally only limited to a fixed device or app). |
|
10-23-2014, 11:24 AM | #56 | |
Philosopher
Posts: 2,034
Karma: 18736532
Join Date: Jan 2012
Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2 gen, Kindle Fire 1st Gen, Kindle Touch
|
Quote:
|
|
10-23-2014, 11:26 AM | #57 | |
Award-Winning Participant
Posts: 7,328
Karma: 67930154
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NJ, USA
Device: Kindle
|
Quote:
The movie industry is in the process of TRYING to do something that the ebook industry might try to do shortly, if they don't go the way of the music industry and give up on DRM. The movie industry is TRYING to make the content available easy, in whatever format and on whatever device the user cares to use. Systems like Ultraviolet, and the inclusion of digital copies when you buy a disc, are steps toward giving users the access to the content that they want, which is the main complaint most of us have about ebook DRM, aside from concerns about obsolescence and losing access. We want to be able to use the content in the many we choose, on the devices we choose. The movie industry has not totally succeeded. The digital movie systems can be cumbersome and inconvenient. It is often both faster and easier to download a pirated movie than to get the official system to work. They do have two additional factors in their favor that gives their DRM an advantage over ebooks. 1. It take measurably more time, effort and knowledge to strip the DRM from a movie than it does from an ebook. 2. A pirated copy of a movie is quite often inferior in quality to a genuine copy. Both those factors add value to using the "official" mechanisms for movies over the "unofficial" ways. ApK |
|
10-23-2014, 11:30 AM | #58 | |
Ex-Helpdesk Junkie
Posts: 19,421
Karma: 85397180
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity
Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)
|
Quote:
Yes. The easy, braindead ways of "os tricks" get patched over time. But there are always exploits if you actually know what you are doing. Security does not really increase over time, it just gets different. You might also like to consider the difference between hacking someone else's machine and hacking your own machine. You may be unaware -- DeDRM is the latter. Last edited by eschwartz; 10-23-2014 at 11:32 AM. |
|
10-23-2014, 11:48 AM | #59 | |
Gnu
Posts: 1,222
Karma: 15625359
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: UK
Device: BeBook,JetBook Lite,PRS-300-350-505-650,+ran out of space to type
|
Quote:
To watch DVD's on a system with no DVD's (netbook, tablet etc) I just rip the iso and play it with a Virtual drive, chews up more space than converting to mp4 but keeps quality intact and is as simple as ripping a cd. |
|
10-23-2014, 11:51 AM | #60 |
The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠
Posts: 71,671
Karma: 306652114
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Norfolk, England
Device: Kindle Voyage
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
--extra-css argument ignored | paipa | Conversion | 10 | 09-05-2014 10:50 AM |
IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument | jkcoder | Calibre | 5 | 09-25-2010 09:28 AM |
for the sake of argument... | Opus | Amazon Kindle | 9 | 06-21-2010 10:55 PM |
8 Ways To Handle An Argument | moon light | Lounge | 11 | 08-26-2009 09:16 PM |
An argument we are having at work... | ficbot | News | 125 | 08-05-2009 08:09 AM |