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I didn't think so. I thought it came across as one-sided propaganda. It's amazing how many anti-Amazon hit pieces are coming out now ... "almost" as if they were on cue for Hatchette's negotiations.
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I can ask you similarly. Did your bias make you misread the article or did you just not understand it. In the same spirit like your question. |
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What was the propaganda? Was the facts about accumulation of power and comparision with historical examples wrong do you mean?
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2) The publishers have a life plus 70 year monopoly on individual books. That power is absolute and can be abused just as much (if not more) than Amazon's power. They accumulated and consolidated that power in the last few decades and that is also damaging. There is loads of evidence that they've also colluded. When he doesn't consider those facts objectively it comes off as one sided and propaganda. |
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And 2 is strange. If A, B and C is bad then it seems strange that an article talking about A and how bad it is must mention that B andC are bad also. Why, since the article is about A? |
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With which publisher(s) is Amazon abusing its power again? The one that's screaming bloody murder? Or the one that seems to have reached a deal it's quite happy with in a relatively quick and peaceful manner?
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Oh, maybe that's why the Big Six (Five?) and Apple were charged with anti-trust violations and Amazon wasn't? |
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It's the same thing if Amazon actually did abuse their power with the suppliers (publishers). They have a monopoly on the books so Consumers that want the books would have to go elsewhere. |
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I talked to Jeff Bezos yesterday, and he was so proud of the fact that he wants to see every employee at Amazon continually upgrade their skills and improve. And if they've got a dream they want to pursue, Amazon wants to help them pursue it. This is not a party-political thing. Both parties have shifted. The average American has shifted. US antitrust a century ago was mostly about protecting small to medium sized businesses. Antitrust today is more about protecting consumers. We can argue whether this is good or bad. But it does suggest that Amazon is not being judged by the same anti-trust standards Standard Oil (or the A&P) faced. Instead Amazon is being judged by the newer standards that have largely allowed WalMart to escape antitrust attention. This isn't to predict the future. The pendulum could swing back. |
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There isn't "loads" of evidence of collusion and the "evidence" that was presented is equally open to the interpretation of no collusion when looked at objectively. |
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There is a lot of evidence that the publishers are colluding. Contract terms that I would consider abusive to the authors are consistent across all and unless you're a huge name, can not be negotiated. Author compensation that is the same and change at the same time. That's all beyond the substantial evidence the DoJ submitted to the court. |
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They are totally different. The only right that copyright gives the average BWM author is the right to have their name written in pretty letters on their books. The other rights are owned by the publishers. But like you said, they don't own the copyrights. ![]() I call a Red Herring. |
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