HP Stream -- aka Chromebook killer? - Page 4

Jessica Lares · 10-03-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xendula

How do you like the interface in comparison to 8.1?

Mmm, Task View is pretty nice. So are the tiles on the Start menu (better than the Notification Center in OS X Yosemite). Everything's still half and half though. Some things are optimized for the tablet, others are not. But it's a technical preview, and we have six months of changes coming up.

BookAdmin · 10-03-2014, 01:12 PM

The good points (imo):
-Fan -- fanless

-Battery -- S11 (8.25 hrs) / S13 (7.75 hrs) (if it is on real usage...)

-price OO.

The bads:
-OS -- Windows 8.1 (not touch screen? I think W8.1 is designed for touch screens).

-GPU -- Intel HD Graphics (not for gamers at all...)

Jessica Lares · 10-03-2014, 01:36 PM

Intel HD Graphics are not bad for mobile games. What were you expecting out of a $200 laptop?

Soopy · 10-03-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BookAdmin

The good points (imo):

The bads:
-OS -- Windows 8.1 (not touch screen? I think W8.1 is designed for touch screens).

One of the ads on the hp store page says "See it clearly with HD
Experience your digital world with the crystal-clear HD display. Also available with Touchscreen". Looks like the touchscreen will come as an optional add-on, which I like.

tubemonkey · 10-03-2014, 02:09 PM

These laptops are aimed at kids, casual users, and those wishing to have extras scattered about the house. I for one would never consider these Winbooks or Chromebooks to be primary devices. Too many shortcomings.

Mivo · 10-04-2014, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BookAdmin

-OS -- Windows 8.1 (not touch screen? I think W8.1 is designed for touch screens).

If you boot directly into desktop mode, it is little different from Windows 7, especially if you get something like "Start 8" to add a Start menu. I was quite resilient to Windows 8, but since the new laptop I bought came with it, I gave it a whirl. 8.0 was awful, but 8.1 is surprisingly usable.

The only concern I have with it on a Chromebook-like system is that it's not the most resource-friendly, but I have also not run it on anything low-powered, so I have no actual experience to base this concern on.

BookAdmin · 10-04-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Lares

Intel HD Graphics are not bad for mobile games. What were you expecting out of a $200 laptop?

A good graphics card for casual gaming, not like the alienware, but it is perhaps too much to expect for the price...

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Originally Posted by Soopy

One of the ads on the hp store page says "See it clearly with HD
Experience your digital world with the crystal-clear HD display. Also available with Touchscreen". Looks like the touchscreen will come as an optional add-on, which I like.

I'll wait to see the price of this option, but I think it gonna hurt ^^

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

These laptops are aimed at kids, casual users, and those wishing to have extras scattered about the house. I for one would never consider these Winbooks or Chromebooks to be primary devices. Too many shortcomings.

I agree with you, that's why I put the graphics card into the bad points. As you know, children love to play video games so ...

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Originally Posted by Mivo

If you boot directly into desktop mode...

With Windows 10, Microsoft solved this "problem." I must say that the metro menu was a bit confusing for beginners. The latest version of windows will please everyone, those who want metro and those who do not want it.

tovare · 10-04-2014, 05:17 PM

The problem with low end Windows machines is that the software is usually written for more powerfull machines. Not so on Android and IOS.

robko · 10-04-2014, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tovare

The problem with low end Windows machines is that the software is usually written for more powerfull machines. Not so on Android and IOS.

Android/IOS software may be written for less powerful machines, but for the vast majority of things that a large percentage of the population does with their computer, 10 year old hardware would work fine, so this really shouldn't be an issue. If you're not doing any serious gaming, possibly video editing, or CAD work, most computers and laptops are way overpowered for what the average user needs IMHO.
So far other than trying to run Bluestacks android emulator on my Win 8 tablet I haven't found anything that choked it. And that could likely be lack of RAM as much as anything.

Jessica Lares · 10-04-2014, 07:09 PM

The rendering is the big issue, not so much the editing of stuff.

Mivo · 10-05-2014, 12:31 AM

Audio stuff (rendering, soft synths, etc) also requires a modern CPU, more so than gaming. But I concur, a large number of people use their computers for web browsing, email, light text processing, social media, casual games (often in the browser), and media consumption. None of these require a powerful machine. I could easily do a pretty large chunk of my work on an Android tablet, and all of it if all required programs were available for it.

I like the trend. I grew up (professionally too) with 8-bit and 16-bit home computers, which were relatively compact. Then came the era of towers and all their bulkiness and noise, followed by much more convenient laptops (I got my first one in 1993 already, but it was provided by a company I worked for; I could never have afforded one at the time). Now tablets are soaring and cutting into desktop/laptop sales. It's all good.

(Sometimes I'm still amazed at the tech available today. This is the kind of stuff straight out scifi movies of the 80s and early 90s!).

tubemonkey · 10-05-2014, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mivo

(Sometimes I'm still amazed at the tech available today. This is the kind of stuff straight out scifi movies of the 80s and early 90s!).

Jean-Luc is reading an ebook on his iPad
Geordi walks in wearing Google Glass v2350

robko · 10-05-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mivo

I could easily do a pretty large chunk of my work on an Android tablet, and all of it if all required programs were available for it.

TBH that's what pushed me to a Win tablet. I had a Blackberry Playbook which I really liked (especially the screen), but having to play with my Excel spreadsheets to dumb them down to work on an Android app got old fast. Now I can go back and forth from tablet to laptop (if I want a bigger screen/keyboard) simply by transferring the file.

xendula · 10-05-2014, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Jean-Luc is reading an ebook on his iPad
Geordi walks in wearing Google Glass v2350

Oooh, Monkey! Jean -Luc was watching porn on his tablet when Geordi came in wearing Google glass. Did you notice how he hid the tablet when he started talking?

cromag · 10-06-2014, 12:49 AM

Nothing here that would cause me to be any less satisfied with my Linux netbook.

The only two "problems" with my netbook are that it won't run Itunes (friends and family occasionally give me gift cards) and it won't run an audio "clean up" program I use (it's Windows only, but it also pretty much demands a fair amount of hard disk space). Otherwise, I'd dump Windows all together.

10-03-2014, 01:12 PM	#47
BookAdmin Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 420000 Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: France Device: kindle	The good points (imo): -Fan -- fanless -Battery -- S11 (8.25 hrs) / S13 (7.75 hrs) (if it is on real usage...) -price OO. The bads: -OS -- Windows 8.1 (not touch screen? I think W8.1 is designed for touch screens). -GPU -- Intel HD Graphics (not for gamers at all...) Last edited by BookAdmin; 10-03-2014 at 01:17 PM.

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Jessica Lares Wizard Posts: 2,240 Karma: 5759170 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Near Dallas, Texas, USA Device: iPad Mini, iPod Touch (5th gen)	Intel HD Graphics are not bad for mobile games. What were you expecting out of a $200 laptop?

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tubemonkey monkey on the fringe Posts: 45,780 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show	These laptops are aimed at kids, casual users, and those wishing to have extras scattered about the house. I for one would never consider these Winbooks or Chromebooks to be primary devices. Too many shortcomings.

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tovare Addict Posts: 221 Karma: 1133312 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oslo/Norway Device: PRS-600, Kindle kb Wifi, new Kindle NT, PW2, Kindle Oasis	The problem with low end Windows machines is that the software is usually written for more powerfull machines. Not so on Android and IOS.

10-04-2014, 07:09 PM	#55
Jessica Lares Wizard Posts: 2,240 Karma: 5759170 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Near Dallas, Texas, USA Device: iPad Mini, iPod Touch (5th gen)	The rendering is the big issue, not so much the editing of stuff.

10-05-2014, 12:31 AM	#56
Mivo Fanatic Posts: 556 Karma: 3531054 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Germany Device: In use: Pocketbook InkPad 3, Kobo Glo, iPad Air 2	Audio stuff (rendering, soft synths, etc) also requires a modern CPU, more so than gaming. But I concur, a large number of people use their computers for web browsing, email, light text processing, social media, casual games (often in the browser), and media consumption. None of these require a powerful machine. I could easily do a pretty large chunk of my work on an Android tablet, and all of it if all required programs were available for it. I like the trend. I grew up (professionally too) with 8-bit and 16-bit home computers, which were relatively compact. Then came the era of towers and all their bulkiness and noise, followed by much more convenient laptops (I got my first one in 1993 already, but it was provided by a company I worked for; I could never have afforded one at the time). Now tablets are soaring and cutting into desktop/laptop sales. It's all good. (Sometimes I'm still amazed at the tech available today. This is the kind of stuff straight out scifi movies of the 80s and early 90s!).

10-06-2014, 12:49 AM	#60
cromag Surfin the alpha waves ~~ Posts: 26,503 Karma: 459765791 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: New Jersey Device: Jetbook Lite & Mini, Nook STR, Kobo, Hanvon N516, Kindle 2, Androids	Nothing here that would cause me to be any less satisfied with my Linux netbook. The only two "problems" with my netbook are that it won't run Itunes (friends and family occasionally give me gift cards) and it won't run an audio "clean up" program I use (it's Windows only, but it also pretty much demands a fair amount of hard disk space). Otherwise, I'd dump Windows all together.

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