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The thing is that once something is on the net. It's there virtually forever. I can't guess how many 1000's of people every day downloaded the CD zips or iso files from the 5th Imperium before Ms. Bujold made her complaint. And it was up there for years and years. More than enough time for millions of copies of each to be made. The horse not only walked out before the barn door was closed but he probably set up additional stalls in other stables all over cyberspace.
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Don't import it if you have the plugin, don't run DeDRM.bat on it. Just open with ebook-viewer.exe and it will either open the book (it doesn't have DRM) or fail and tell you it has DRM. |
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The insane thing about the 'Giving away her Life's Work' statement, was even with the CD publicly available... (and assuming they did not have any of them)
What percentage of the potential customer base bothered to locate and download it? What percentage of those are hoarders ![]() For me, it was an easy way to transform my DTB into a more portable format. I still have crates of books in the storage room. |
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It's like saying since you can't stop someone from stealing a copy of your car, it's all right for them to do so. I don't condone pirating. I don't pirate. But, the CD image I acquired of Cyroburn states: Quote:
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And they were reauthorized, as it were, when BAEN added Kindle store distribution and asked that the web-searchable versions be removed. BAEN wants the images out there and Fifth Imperium hosting them saves them bandwidth costs. |
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I don't know when Baen stopped doing these CD's. Somewhere in 2009, 2010? That was a time in which e-reading really exploded. Possibly, it was no problem having the CD's distributed before, because very few people would actually read the digital versions of the books back then.
After e-readers got onto the scene, and Calibre became mature enough to convert books almost perfectly from one format to another, suddenly the CD's might be a problem... |
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Jim Baen was a very astute man. He understood the marketing benefit derived from the Free Library (and to some extent, CD's).
Like a drug dealer, give a few free samples and you get them hooked ![]() I know that the free Library sucked ![]() Hmmm 1 free book, 6 paid books or No books. I wonder? |
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Those sites that took down the Bujold CD did so purely voluntarily, and in spite of Bujold's rude and libelous attacks on them. I'm a fan of Bujold's works, though not of her manners or ignorance of contract and copyright law. Addendum: I had previously purchased all her works through to A Civil Campaign in DT, and have purchased her two non-CD works (Memory & CVA) through Baen ebooks, so have no real compunction at keeping my CD copy for the rest (as I am doing so under a good faith belief that there exists a legitimate license permitting me to have this copy). Further addendum: multiple sources confirm that a "[u]nilateral mistake does not offer sufficient grounds for recession or renegotiation" of a contract. Last edited by Hrafn; 12-17-2013 at 11:41 PM. Reason: "good faith belief..." |
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5th Imperium was legal from Baen's viewpoint, the question was whether or not Baen made it clear to the authors they were allowing the CD's to be posted on the web. Without access to the actual negotiations I don't think we can determine whether they failed to make it clear or whether she simply changed her mind. I'm sure Baen would have bowed to her wishes either way simply to maintain as good a relationship as possible after a faux pas such as this. Yes, I'm sure the poster asked permission-from Baen. Baen, not realizing that Bujold didn't want this, undoubtedly granted permission. |
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Lacking a legal leg to stand upon, Bujold was wholly reliant on the goodwill of 5th Imperium to remove her CD from their site, goodwill which she did her best to undermine with her absurd "piracy" accusation. |
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The mutual misunderstanding is that Baen apparently believed that Bujold understood what they were telling her. If they knew she didn't understand it then they committed fraud. I doubt that so I think there was misunderstanding on both sides. As for the stealing, huh? The only people stealing Bujold's work are those who continue distributing it in defiance of her right to control the distribution. That's neither Baen nor 5th Imperium and I'm not sure how you think I said that. I'd only consider it stealing if they did that after being directly contacted by Bujold or her representatives (with cease & desist). Hearing 3rd hand that she doesn't want her works distributed wouldn't necessarily be believable so, in my opinion (FWIW) that wouldn't count as reasonable notice. (Re 5th Imperium I think contact by Baen would count as they were Bujold's representative at the time the CD was published.) |
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No no no! No take-backs. The copies of copies of copies from the CDs are legal to distribute, and will always be so, no matter what she says. 5th Imperium didn't take them down because of the law, but just to be nice.
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