Devil in the details - Page 4

Pinecone · 12-12-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Apache

Being from a high gravity planet would not give you the ability to swim through a solid.

There is that minor point also.

I barely made it through the first book, and about 2 or 3 chapters into the second, and I gave up on that author.

He also had people heliocasting (sic) onto the ground. I think he meant fast rappelling. I don't know many people that would jump out of a helicopter onto the ground.

Kumabjorn · 12-12-2011, 11:23 AM

Ahh, the ingenuity of man when her life is at stake.
But re-loading a revolver would always take longer than re-loading a pistol, right?
Thus, when the rounds are finished the man holding the pistol would be able to fire again faster than someone holding a revolver?

ScalyFreak · 12-12-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Native

What bothers me most is when the slips occur where the story has no place being in the first place. But thinking about it, I guess that's exactly where they would be. Why would you mention any vehicle's parking brake, unless of course, the story actually revolves around said exceptional device.

Because a brief mention of a minor detail that has no relevance to the story can still serve a purpose. It can be used to emphasize the larger item the detail is a part of, and it can also be used to tell the reader something about the person that noticed that detail.

Though the writer should probably make a point of only doing this with details they know and are familiar with. So if you know nothing about computers, ask someone who does before writing details about them...

theducks · 12-12-2011, 11:39 AM

I think 'Releasing a hand brake' is being taken in the wrong context here.

I tend to grip the hand brake when taking the bike off its stand and maintain position until I want to move (especially on any grade).
Of coarse, my other hand is holding in the clutch leaver

Apache · 12-12-2011, 02:06 PM

Any gun meant to be fired using one hand is a pistol. A revolver has a cylinder that revolves each time the trigger is pulled, placing an unfired round under the hammer. A semiautomatic pistol has a magazine and uses the energy of the fired round to load the next round. This can be done mechanically or gas driven.
Apache

DustyDisks · 12-12-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kumabjorn

Ahh, the ingenuity of man when her life is at stake.
But re-loading a revolver would always take longer than re-loading a pistol, right?
Thus, when the rounds are finished the man holding the pistol would be able to fire again faster than someone holding a revolver?

It depends!

If the revolver used the full moon clips vs the semiautomatic with spare magazines. The revolver can be loaded faster than one not using the clips, but methinks the semi automatic will win, speed wise..

Now reloading individual rounds, into the revolvers cylinder or the magazine for the semiautomatic if one wants a full cylinder or magazine. The revolver will win the race. (Cylinders hold fewer rounds)

But if all that is needed is one fast shot, the semiautomatic will win, because the user needs only to drop one round in the chamber and release the slide, aim and pull the trigger.. With the revolver, one could put one round in the cylinder but then you have to index the cylinder so the gun will fire with the next trigger pull.

More "Details"

5thWiggle · 12-12-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinecone

He also had people heliocasting (sic) onto the ground. I think he meant fast rappelling. I don't know many people that would jump out of a helicopter onto the ground.

I think he meant helocasting. HELIOcasting would be jumping from the Sun

caleb72 · 12-13-2011, 02:47 AM

For me it can depend on the type of book. If I feel that the author is trying to write in an authentic manner then I'm going to be more anal about mistakes (if I see them). However, for novels that are clearly fantasy I tend to gloss over some errors as creative license.

I didn't know that Spain had a monarch - perhaps because I'm stupid. But if I'd stopped to check for any reason and discovered this information I would have been rather unforgiving of the error.

Bikeridr · 12-13-2011, 04:06 AM

As a ships engineer, I spot quite a few technical errors and plain old S.T.U.P.I.D events.

Matthew Reilly "destroyed" a good plot when he made a whole plant blow up due to KFK gases. KFK does not burn or explode. In fact it is one of the most effective fire depressants that exists. (Halon fire extinguisher, anyone?).

Speed II anyone?
I've never been so embarrassed while watching a movie. There are so many idiotic errors and so many stupid ridiculous details that I don't know where to begin.
You cannot override mechanical shutdowns via computer.
You cannot "hack in to" a ships operational system or software via "internet".
You cannot take the elevator down into a ballast tank.
Ballast tanks does not contain light fixtures.
Ballast tanks does not contain laundry.
You cannot hang one-armed by the propeller shaft in 25 knots and "nudge" a rope into the propeller.
You cannot turn a 25-knot speeding ship by the side thruster.
You D.E.F.I.N.A.T.E.L.Y cannot "handcrank" a side thruster.
Cylinder heads will not pop off an engine and still have the engine run at full power.
Cylinder hedas will not pop off, the piston will come out of the side loooong before that.
(Besides, stopping an engine is only a 19mm wrench away to dismantle the fuel line).
And so on and so forth..

Apache · 12-13-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bikeridr

Speed II anyone?
I've never been so embarrassed while watching a movie. There are so many idiotic errors and so many stupid ridiculous details that I don't know where to begin.
You cannot override mechanical shutdowns via computer.
You cannot "hack in to" a ships operational system or software via "internet".
You cannot take the elevator down into a ballast tank.
Ballast tanks does not contain light fixtures.
Ballast tanks does not contain laundry.
You cannot hang one-armed by the propeller shaft in 25 knots and "nudge" a rope into the propeller.
You cannot turn a 25-knot speeding ship by the side thruster.
You D.E.F.I.N.A.T.E.L.Y cannot "handcrank" a side thruster.
Cylinder heads will not pop off an engine and still have the engine run at full power.
Cylinder hedas will not pop off, the piston will come out of the side loooong before that.
(Besides, stopping an engine is only a 19mm wrench away to dismantle the fuel line).
And so on and so forth..

Makes me glad I never saw that movie.
Apache

spacebrew · 12-13-2011, 02:41 PM

I saw some Swarzenegger movie where he was dangling from a jet right in front of the intakes and wasn't getting sucked in.

Almost anything with military aircraft in it is going to have mistakes though.

Oh, and the Migs in Top Gun? T-38 training jets. Not really a mistake but a fun fact. I used to work on them, so seeing them portrayed as Russian Migs was hilarious.

Bikeridr · 12-13-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spacebrew

I saw some Swarzenegger movie where he was dangling from a jet right in front of the intakes and wasn't getting sucked in.

That woul'd be "True Lies".

Here's some more, movie related:
Sound of jet engines and explosions in deep space. (Star Wars, Lost in Space)
Continous thrust from engines on spacecraft (Star Wars, Star Trek)
(Although, I love Star Wars).

Pinecone · 12-15-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kumabjorn

Ahh, the ingenuity of man when her life is at stake.
But re-loading a revolver would always take longer than re-loading a pistol, right?
Thus, when the rounds are finished the man holding the pistol would be able to fire again faster than someone holding a revolver?

No necessarily. There is a top competition shooter who shoots a revolver, with VERY fast reloads.

Jerry Miculak (sp?)

Pinecone · 12-15-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 5thWiggle

I think he meant helocasting. HELIOcasting would be jumping from the Sun

Exactly.

And you helocast into WATER.

Pinecone · 12-15-2011, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacebrew

I saw some Swarzenegger movie where he was dangling from a jet right in front of the intakes and wasn't getting sucked in.

Almost anything with military aircraft in it is going to have mistakes though.

Oh, and the Migs in Top Gun? T-38 training jets. Not really a mistake but a fun fact. I used to work on them, so seeing them portrayed as Russian Migs was hilarious.

Don't get me started on Top STUPID.

So many mistakes, it would be difficult to list them.

ARRGGGGHHHH, now you have me thinking about that STUPID movie.

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12-12-2011, 11:23 AM	#47
Kumabjorn Basculocolpic Posts: 4,356 Karma: 20181319 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sweden Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Kindle 4SO, Kindle for Android, Sony PRS-350 and PRS-T1	Ahh, the ingenuity of man when her life is at stake. But re-loading a revolver would always take longer than re-loading a pistol, right? Thus, when the rounds are finished the man holding the pistol would be able to fire again faster than someone holding a revolver?

12-12-2011, 11:39 AM	#49
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,249 Karma: 61360164 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	I think 'Releasing a hand brake' is being taken in the wrong context here. I tend to grip the hand brake when taking the bike off its stand and maintain position until I want to move (especially on any grade). Of coarse, my other hand is holding in the clutch leaver

12-12-2011, 02:06 PM	#50
Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,306 Karma: 90981752 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	Any gun meant to be fired using one hand is a pistol. A revolver has a cylinder that revolves each time the trigger is pulled, placing an unfired round under the hammer. A semiautomatic pistol has a magazine and uses the energy of the fired round to load the next round. This can be done mechanically or gas driven. Apache

12-13-2011, 02:47 AM	#53
caleb72 Indie Advocate Posts: 2,863 Karma: 18794463 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Melbourne, Australia Device: Kindle	For me it can depend on the type of book. If I feel that the author is trying to write in an authentic manner then I'm going to be more anal about mistakes (if I see them). However, for novels that are clearly fantasy I tend to gloss over some errors as creative license. I didn't know that Spain had a monarch - perhaps because I'm stupid. But if I'd stopped to check for any reason and discovered this information I would have been rather unforgiving of the error.

12-13-2011, 04:06 AM	#54
Bikeridr Information Acquirer Posts: 436 Karma: 4265156 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Latvia, Rigas Rajons Device: Kindle 3 International, Pocketbook Color	As a ships engineer, I spot quite a few technical errors and plain old S.T.U.P.I.D events. Matthew Reilly "destroyed" a good plot when he made a whole plant blow up due to KFK gases. KFK does not burn or explode. In fact it is one of the most effective fire depressants that exists. (Halon fire extinguisher, anyone?). Speed II anyone? I've never been so embarrassed while watching a movie. There are so many idiotic errors and so many stupid ridiculous details that I don't know where to begin. You cannot override mechanical shutdowns via computer. You cannot "hack in to" a ships operational system or software via "internet". You cannot take the elevator down into a ballast tank. Ballast tanks does not contain light fixtures. Ballast tanks does not contain laundry. You cannot hang one-armed by the propeller shaft in 25 knots and "nudge" a rope into the propeller. You cannot turn a 25-knot speeding ship by the side thruster. You D.E.F.I.N.A.T.E.L.Y cannot "handcrank" a side thruster. Cylinder heads will not pop off an engine and still have the engine run at full power. Cylinder hedas will not pop off, the piston will come out of the side loooong before that. (Besides, stopping an engine is only a 19mm wrench away to dismantle the fuel line). And so on and so forth..

12-13-2011, 02:41 PM	#56
spacebrew Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 27540 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: North Dallas Device: PRS-T1, PRS-350, Droid X2	I saw some Swarzenegger movie where he was dangling from a jet right in front of the intakes and wasn't getting sucked in. Almost anything with military aircraft in it is going to have mistakes though. Oh, and the Migs in Top Gun? T-38 training jets. Not really a mistake but a fun fact. I used to work on them, so seeing them portrayed as Russian Migs was hilarious.

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