New Nook news Sept 2011

[boswd]

Originally Posted by avariel

Nothing you posted contradicted what I said.

A lot of people play Facebook games. They don't buy desktop computers to play them.

not on the iPad they don't, that requires Flash

though there was recent breakthrough between apple and flash, I don't know if it included flash based games or not.

[frahse]

Originally Posted by aagstn

Indeed it does. I had a nook color for awhile, but the iPad was a much better balance of price and hardware so I switched. It also allowed me to do everything I wanted to do with the Nook without hacking it. Still use my Nook classic a lot though, but still see no reason to upgrade it, especially since there is no 3G nook to replace it with.

You make an excellent point.

I have several computers. Literally I have working computers that are just sitting around because "well, they work" and I might need them for something. Sometimes I have the opportunity to give them away, but usually I end up just buying the kids and even a relative or two a new one. That makes them happy, and so I am happy. Also I don't have to worry about the machine failing and that giving me a bad reputation about giving a gift that wasn't any good.

I had a son that passed by on a trip and asked to borrow my big shop vac. He was a little strapped at the time trying to fix up a new place for himself and his wife and was doing some wood work, sanding, painting, etc..
I just gave him the money to get a new one so it wouldn't overload the little car he and his new wife had already overloaded. Also he wouldn't have to return it. "Hey Merry Christmas."

I have only one (1) eReader. The Kindle 3-3G,WiFi. I will never buy a eReader without 3G. I hope Amazon impresses me with a good (limited) 3G tablet, but if it doesn't I will look to Nook. I want a free 3G (limited) system like Kindle has now, even if it is limited on what it can download.
I will even get another Kindle gray scale, if it has a the infrared touch screen and limited 3G. I would actually like it to be a little smaller in width so it would fit in a pocket easier. A built in way to light the screen would be good too. I would design it with a separate replaceable rechargeable battery, say a 3A or even 2A to run the light, but it would be separate from the main battery.

When I go to the woods, or on the lakes or waterways, I will carry a phone and my eReader. I don't risk my notebook in that environment. If I really go "way out of reach" I will have my Spot (Satellite) and my eReader even if 3G doesn't work.

I remember when I was in the service. We would pack paperback books and trade them around. They were actually pretty bulky if you had several and over time would get wet and even moldy. I think the guys must be doing better these days with eReaders.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by avariel

I am sure one of the most popular uses for a desktop are Facebook games.
Want to know where you will see the most iPads? College campuses. They have their textbooks on them, they surf the web on them, and check their email.

If someone was going to buy a device to game, they would buy a much better, much cheaper portable game system. The concept isn't hard to grasp. They play games on them because they have them, they don't buy them to play games on them. If they did, they would be really stupid.

I think you and Stonetools aren't on the same page when talking about games. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, you are talking about high powered graphics games that someone would be using, let's say an Alienware laptop. And on that point you are correct

And I think Stonetools, and again ST correct me if I'm wrong, games on the iPad like Angry birds, cut the rope, and more fun games that arent' as graphics intense are extremely popular on the iPad and if that's the case Stonetools is correct.

[kjk]

Originally Posted by boswd

not on the iPad they don't, that requires Flash

though there was recent breakthrough between apple and flash, I don't know if it included flash based games or not.

Actually the real breakthrough will be Facebook's Project Spartan-which will move Facebook apps (most notably games) to HTML5. Both iOS and Android users should benefit from this transition.

[OtterBooks]

Originally Posted by frahse

When I go to the woods, or on the lakes or waterways, I will carry a phone and my eReader.

-Walden: the Lost Years

[stonetools]

Originally Posted by boswd

I think you and Stonetools aren't on the same page when talking about games. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, you are talking about high powered graphics games that someone would be using, let's say an Alienware laptop. And on that point you are correct

And I think Stonetools, and again ST correct me if I'm wrong, games on the iPad like Angry birds, cut the rope, and more fun games that arent' as graphics intense are extremely popular on the iPad and if that's the case Stonetools is correct.

You nailed it. There is a difference between Mobile gaming and console/ pc gaming . I think b&n is aiming at the mobile gaming market with it's Acclaim tablet.

[frahse]

Originally Posted by OtterBooks

-Walden: the Lost Years

... well, not too lost I hope, that explains the "Spot" and yes a paddle too, in case I get too far up that creek...

[afa]

Originally Posted by jhempel24

Consoles don't make money, they actually lose money on the consoles and make the money from the games.

I don't think that is true anymore.

Console manufacturers sell the hardware at a loss... initially. That's because they spend so much on R&D that making a profit would mean pricing the device out of the reach of most of their demographic. Even when the PS3 was launched, it retailed for about $600, which was pretty steep. And even that, apparently, was a loss making price. It now retails for $250.

As the manufacturers achieve economies of scale, their production costs per unit decrease quite substantially. And once the sales of the devices reaches a certain point, the accounts are back in the black.

I'm pretty sure both Sony and Microsoft have long since crossed that point.

[avariel]

Originally Posted by kjk

What are the important hardware components of a tablet? Screen? Graphics processor? Battery?

Comparisons of tablet displays:


Anandtech on the iPad 2 GPU:


Battery life?


To dismiss the hardware as "subpar" is just silly. (except of course, the cameras )

It certainly is more powerful than the first generation tablets and some tablets that followed it. That doesn't mean it isn't subpar hardware. The CPU is only 1ghz, it only has 512MB RAM, and the GPU in it came out in 2009.

Originally Posted by boswd

I think you and Stonetools aren't on the same page when talking about games. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, you are talking about high powered graphics games that someone would be using, let's say an Alienware laptop. And on that point you are correct

And I think Stonetools, and again ST correct me if I'm wrong, games on the iPad like Angry birds, cut the rope, and more fun games that arent' as graphics intense are extremely popular on the iPad and if that's the case Stonetools is correct.

Considering I've been comparing it to gaming handhelds, you should have been able to notice that we are on the same page.

[Apache]

You do realize that consoles are using technology that is 5 to 6 years out of date? Consequentially their costs for parts and material is lower than if they were using new technology.
Apache

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by avariel

It certainly is more powerful than the first generation tablets and some tablets that followed it. That doesn't mean it isn't subpar hardware.

So what is par, for the iPad to be sub it?

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by avariel

I can get the new Asus X101-EU17-BK for $200.

And you get what you pay for. A corresponding tablet could be this. It's only 7", but it weights less, has better battery life, and costs a little less.

[avariel]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

And you get what you pay for. A corresponding tablet could be this. It's only 7", but it weights less, has better battery life, and costs a little less.

It can't be compared for a number of reasons, but mainly for the fact that it is a year old. The closest comparison is the Archos Arnova 10 G2 which just recently came out.

http://arnovatech.com/products/g2/ar...try=ua&lang=en

It has half the storage, half the RAM, a much weaker processor, weighs less and has a battery life of 4 hours.

[jocampo]

I don't see a market for a 10 inches devices unless is a really good tablet with a strong app market, light, thin and with a nice price.

In terms of a NC 2 or second generation, hope they redesign the hardware and made it less heavy.

[avariel]

Originally Posted by jocampo

I don't see a market for a 10 inches devices unless is a really good tablet with a strong app market, light, thin and with a nice price.

In terms of a NC 2 or second generation, hope they redesign the hardware and made it less heavy.

Most of the weight of a tablet is from the screen. They could reduce the weight by not using gorilla glass, but then it would be a lot more prone to getting scratches.