NEW KOBO DESKTOP SOFTWARE

[jackastor]

Originally Posted by taming

Urmmm, what was that whole sync everything with your iPhone if that wasn't about Kobo servers? I'm done here, but if you want to read everything on your desktop, one solution is to use Calibre for everything. I don't use my desktop application at all (well the setup for Touch required it), and have not since I got comfortable with the WiFi Kobo.

You actually miss the hole point. Which means your stuck with your own solid view on things.. thats fine for you as your entitled to your view. So no offense meant or taken. But we should never need to use after market programs to side load things. Kobo desktop should be able to do it all plain and simple.


regards

jack

[PeterT]

Jack... You DON'T have to use any 3rd party program to sideload... One can easily jsut copy the ePub to the Kobo via Windows; or heck, even the command line if you want!

Now of course, purchased ePubs with DRM DO require you to have downloaded them via Adobe Desktop Edition, and since you have that open, one might just as well use IT to copy the ePub to the Kobo.

[jackastor]

Originally Posted by PeterT

I've been doing some looking and as far as I can tell, when you logout, the desktop does NOT delete the content; it all seems to still be present (at least this is with 1.9). You can't SEE the books but the actual files are still there.

missed that. So I wonder if you can do a test to see if its downloading any thing. I would have thought that cookies like we have use of can manage login and content etc.. Or something that idetifies the computer thats authorized to use them or better yet the program gives us to option to redownload the books when we want to. After all once its on our ebook thats where it should stay. But im stuck on the inability of kobo dt to not allow our own ebooks to be tracked and sorted on our own computers using the kobo dt it might even slim down the processing time if the ereader had a map provided from the kobo dt to show where the book is ie if its stored on the card or the main mem of the touch. Would not take much to tweak the touch software to use this feature and the kobo to understand it.. Calibre traks main mem vs storage card.

Regards

jack

[PeterT]

I think you will find Kobo uses their desktop for a plethora of platforms (Android / Apple / RIM / ...) and not all of those platform have an Adobe licensed ePub reader.

I think Kobo's goal is to use Kobo Desktop to interface with their own eBook reader on all those platforms.

[jackastor]

Originally Posted by PeterT

I think you will find Kobo uses their desktop for a plethora of platforms (Android / Apple / RIM / ...) and not all of those platform have an Adobe licensed ePub reader.

I think Kobo's goal is to use Kobo Desktop to interface with their own eBook reader on all those platforms.

Hmmm maybe.. I just think it was short sighted to not be able to intergrate your library in its entirety it would be so much better.


regards

jack

[Byron4120]

Perhaps the general issue could be resolved with a "SYNC" (just as it works now) and a "Local SYNC" which manages the rest of your sideloaded resources -- But only with locally attached resources (No central KOBO servers). This implies that a Local Library - or My Library resource was available (Assume that it would have a local directory of Flat files & directories -- Like the KOBO has for side loaded books/ documents etc.

The Local SYNC would work directly with your KOBO e-reader (via direct connect & maybe wifi when the desktop can see the reader) and with your other device kobo reader SW only when those devices are visible to your desktop.

[SensualPoet]

Originally Posted by jackastor

missed that. So I wonder if you can do a test to see if its downloading any thing. I would have thought that cookies like we have use of can manage login and content etc..

I tried exactly that a couple of days ago. The 2.01 Kobo Desktop definitely is redownloading the books if you log out. Now, it may not "delete" them officially -- just hide them -- but according to my live usage meter, logging back in definitely download a few tens of MBs, not something it would need to do to merely resync.

[taming]

It is also possible that deleting a book and then syncing removes the file stored on your computer. This seemed to happen earlier. I won't have time to check this before the weekend. I have my kepub folder on my computer set to one way sync with another folder so if books/files disappear from the kobo listing, they are still captured as backups.

[jackastor]

Originally Posted by SensualPoet

I tried exactly that a couple of days ago. The 2.01 Kobo Desktop definitely is redownloading the books if you log out. Now, it may not "delete" them officially -- just hide them -- but according to my live usage meter, logging back in definitely download a few tens of MBs, not something it would need to do to merely resync.

This way of doing things is not logical. I mean we obviously need the desktop software to read the kepubs anyway but redownloading them etc is just a massive waste of our internet usage.. i mean is kobo going to reimburse us for this use? I have no problem if they are deleted store my books online and ill download them if i need to again when i WANT to download them, not before.. Now that it is establish, and thank you SensualPoet for doing so, what are is Kobo going to do to fix this problem... Incidently a few books no big deal but some of us have invested a large amount of money in our collections... and that is the point. Anyone else have any thoughts?


regards

Jack

[jackastor]

Originally Posted by Byron4120

Perhaps the general issue could be resolved with a "SYNC" (just as it works now) and a "Local SYNC" which manages the rest of your sideloaded resources -- But only with locally attached resources (No central KOBO servers). This implies that a Local Library - or My Library resource was available (Assume that it would have a local directory of Flat files & directories -- Like the KOBO has for side loaded books/ documents etc.

The Local SYNC would work directly with your KOBO e-reader (via direct connect & maybe wifi when the desktop can see the reader) and with your other device kobo reader SW only when those devices are visible to your desktop.

Thats something I think they could do quite easily btw Byron and its a very good suggestion... why its not done so now makes so sense... Kobo Dudes do your thing make us the user happy!

Anyone else?

regards

jack

[jackastor]

Originally Posted by PeterT

Jack... You DON'T have to use any 3rd party program to sideload... One can easily jsut copy the ePub to the Kobo via Windows; or heck, even the command line if you want!

Now of course, purchased ePubs with DRM DO require you to have downloaded them via Adobe Desktop Edition, and since you have that open, one might just as well use IT to copy the ePub to the Kobo.

First no offense, but you dont get it. There is no desktop software management of books that one has that did not come from KOBO. This is shortsighted and unlogical. The desktop software should be able to handle any ebook you want to add to it. This would result in better management of the books resulting in better over all handleing of the books by the ereader. It could even mean that processing time,sort time and search times could be faster! I fully understand i can drop a book in the directory of the ereader. Thats not at issue. What is, is the fact that the current desktop software deletes your books, your ereader continually downloads kobo books from your ereader when you delete them and it connects to the store.
I want and I think others would too a desktop software that allowed us to manage out ebook collections all in one place. Not a desktop software that just does a limited book collection from kobo. For example say i have pdf files i created for use as a reference. I want the kobo desktop software to manage that for me. I have ebooks I purchased else where, I want the desktop software to manage it for me. One step not 2 or 3 or more.

I feel that the Desktop software would also offer more stability on the kobo touch as it could even catalog the books on the computer and place the catalog on the touch eliminatiing the need for the unit to process it. Thus speeding up the unit considerably as the donky work was done by the comptuer! And a file could be placed on the touch so that it knows where the books are stored ie Micro SD or Main memory. We would be able to tell the desktop software to place the books in main memory or Micro SD memory.

you could still add books via drag and drop and the touch would check the space on the Micro SD card or main memory to determine if scanning for additional content is needed.

regards

jack

[PeterT]

Originally Posted by jackastor

There is no desktop software management of books that one has that did not come from KOBO.

ADOBE DIGITAL EDITION ?

I give up.

No more replies from me

[OneandonlyDoc]

Originally Posted by PeterT

ADOBE DIGITAL EDITION ?

I give up.

No more replies from me

...that's what I use to load in epubs that I didn't buy from the Kobo store (like books from the Baen Free Library and books I've bought directly from authors like Michael Stackpole). It works very nicely for the purpose, and you can use it to load the books you buy from the Kobo store, too--you just tell it to download the Adobe DRM and it should kick you right to the Adobe Digital Edition software.

http://www.adobe.com/products/digitaleditions/ is the link for ADE.

[Psyke]

I had to read and re-read this because I'm not sure what you're arguing for or against

Originally Posted by jackastor

There is no desktop software management of books that one has that did not come from KOBO.

This part in particular has got me really confused..or I'm just very tired..... But going by how it's written, not all software came from KOBO. ADE is an Adobe product that KOBO and other EPUB stores license.

That said, that is your solution right there; stop using KOBO's desktop software and manually download the DRM'd EPUBS from kobo's website. Load them, and the rest of your library into ADE, and manage away. If you're adept at removing DRM, do so after you've made your purchase, then use Calibre, or other ebook management software that is out there, or continue to use ADE, which can manage both protected and non-protected work. I believe Caliber does the same, once it's been downloaded and encrypted at least once within ADE..

The thing you have to remember is that KOBO has a responsibility of managing their own KEPUB books, nothing else; However, they do give their clients options if they wish to purchase their books elsewhere, or if they don't want to use the desktop software; they really didn't need to do it, but makes their reader more versatile if they do. While their desktop software is definitely not perfect, it does work. (if you want to delete a book btw, you can do so in the desktop software; restoring it later from the website is required, but it will not be permanently deleted. I've done this a number of times now, unless something has changed recently with the new version of the software).

[jackastor]

Originally Posted by PeterT

ADOBE DIGITAL EDITION ?

I give up.

No more replies from me

You really need to take those blinders off your eyes. You mention every thing but the actual program itself that can do stuff. Not one of the programs can do it all. Doing it all in one program is a better way of doing things its a single step. not download from bookstore import to ADE or Calibre, attach ereader, Dump content to ereader... its a very poor and sad way to do things. When with little effort Kobo could make their software do it all, one button, one step. I can not stress this enough ADE and CALIBRE are not KOBO DESKTOP they work with limited functionality where KOBO DESKTOP does not do it and vice versa.

What needs to happen is KOBO DESKTOP needs to do it all, not some of it, all of it.
ADE and CALIBRE are stop gap methods that fill in where the KOBO DESKTOP doesnt go which it logically should!


Regards

jack