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Old 03-27-2011, 11:54 AM   #46
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Ghoti spells 'fish' with the [gh] from "laugh", the [o] from "women" and the [ti] from "nation".

Let me know when you are ready for the three 'en' words you use every day.
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Ghoti spells 'fish' with the [gh] from "laugh", the [o] from "women" and the [ti] from "nation".

Let me know when you are ready for the three 'en' words you use every day.
I need to go and cook Sunday lunch, so you may as well tell me now if that's OK?
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I know three:
child - children
ox - oxen
box - boxen (though only facetiously)

And the last one?
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Old 03-27-2011, 12:16 PM   #49
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Others included a contraction of Martin van Buren's nickname (Old Kinderhook)
That's the one I'm familiar with. Van Buren was 70 years before the twentieth century, so if it's correct, there ought to be examples of "OK" in 19th century literature somewhere.
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Old 03-27-2011, 12:19 PM   #50
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The three you use every day are:

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The three you use every day are:

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Of course they are

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Old 03-27-2011, 12:54 PM   #52
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The wiki for OK has an example of it's appearance going back to 1790.

It also says dictionaries and style guides cannot agree on uniform spelling either.

OK
O.K.
Okay
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Old 03-27-2011, 12:58 PM   #53
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Of course they are

Thanks.
Also interesting is that 'man' was originally not gender specific. It was short for 'human' and there were two kinds of humans:

- A wombed man or 'woman'
- A weaponed man or 'wepman'

But, over time, the 'wep' got dropped and 'wepman' became 'man'. Go figure
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Old 03-27-2011, 02:04 PM   #54
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The wiki for OK has an example of it's appearance going back to 1790.

It also says dictionaries and style guides cannot agree on uniform spelling either.

OK
O.K.
Okay
In the 20s and 30s it was spelled "okeh". There was an "Okeh" record label back then.
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Old 03-27-2011, 02:21 PM   #55
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In the 20s and 30s it was spelled "okeh". There was an "Okeh" record label back then.
Interesting!
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In the 20s and 30s it was spelled "okeh". There was an "Okeh" record label back then.
And I think 'okeh' was the Native American word that was a candidate for the derivation of OK
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That's it. Invented by a bunch of upper middle class boys in Boston back in the early 1900's. It was popular among them to imitate the bad English used by immigrants and one of them invented OK as the misspelled abbreviation for All Correct

Learned this from Bill Bryson's The Mother Tongue. Very interesting book. Incidentally, I'm about three quarters of the way through his At Home which is also fascinating.
I am pretty sure that is not OK.
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Also interesting is that 'man' was originally not gender specific. It was short for 'human' and there were two kinds of humans:

- A wombed man or 'woman'
- A weaponed man or 'wepman'

But, over time, the 'wep' got dropped and 'wepman' became 'man'. Go figure
Wepman sounds like a second-rate super hero. Would pacifists be offended if you called them wepmen?
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A friend of ours here in London was pleased as punch to get a word "simples" into the dictionary - admittedly it hasn't made it into the OED though.
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