Apple proprietary - Page 4

Mondegreen · 03-02-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

...So you guys can go off and spend $40 for Apple, the rest us can go to site like monoprice.com and get an HDMI for less than $10 or wait I think my HDMI cord from my Kodak Zi8 will work with the Xoom.

*sigh*

Watch out for the malware while you're using that Xoom. Again, complain about Apple being proprietary, but I'm very happy and grateful for the peace of mind it provides.

Tamara · 03-02-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

buy alot of devices with that format?

it's the standard port for basically all devices well except you know who

I guess I don't buy all these devices that use that format but then I don't have electronic devices coming out my ears either.

Tamara · 03-02-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kjk

We must have 8-9 of Apple's 30 pin connector cables around our house, along with several AC adapters for them.

And let's not pretend the mini-USB was always a standard-there are to my count 3 different minis and 2 different micros out there, depending on manufacturer.

That's one of the nice things about Apple, they're big into consistency. They don't change their cabling too often compared to how many times the USB connectors have changed over the last 10 years.

boswd · 03-02-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondegreen

Watch out for the malware while you're using that Xoom. Again, complain about Apple being proprietary, but I'm very happy and grateful for the peace of mind it provides.

I hope you have peace of mind while your iTunes account has been hacked and sold

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375305,00.asp

forkyfork · 03-03-2011, 12:07 AM

Here's my take. I really like how Android is very customizable and lets the user have control, and I've actually considered getting one for my next smartphone to replace my iPhone...

BUT...

Right now, the Android can not match the accessories for my iFamily. I have an alarm clock by my bed that has an iPod dock on it. I can plug in any of my iPods or my Iphone, charge, play, and control it. In my car, I have a cord that does the same thing, and would also charge and play my iPad as well. On top of that, for whatever iProduct I own, there are tons of cases and accessories for it for me to choose from.

So far, I haven't found anything like that on the Android OS, and unless Apple completely changes their port for the next release of the iPhone (which would be dumb), I'll probably get another iPhone myself.

boswd · 03-03-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by forkyfork

Here's my take. I really like how Android is very customizable and lets the user have control, and I've actually considered getting one for my next smartphone to replace my iPhone...

BUT...

Right now, the Android can not match the accessories for my iFamily. I have an alarm clock by my bed that has an iPod dock on it. I can plug in any of my iPods or my Iphone, charge, play, and control it. In my car, I have a cord that does the same thing, and would also charge and play my iPad as well. On top of that, for whatever iProduct I own, there are tons of cases and accessories for it for me to choose from.

So far, I haven't found anything like that on the Android OS, and unless Apple completely changes their port for the next release of the iPhone (which would be dumb), I'll probably get another iPhone myself.

not sure you have looked hard enough, the Droid X has home dock, that turns your phone into a digital alarm clock and charges it as well, and a whole host of other features it also has a car dock that holder, similiar to a GPS dock. It turns your screen into a car dock that allows for GPS, Voice Commands, one touch Player for music, one touch for blue tooth, and Voice dialing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4ap...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YqPv...eature=related

forkyfork · 03-03-2011, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by boswd

not sure you have looked hard enough, the Droid X has home dock, that turns your phone into a digital alarm clock and charges it as well, and a whole host of other features it also has a car dock that holder, similiar to a GPS dock. It turns your screen into a car dock that allows for GPS, Voice Commands, one touch Player for music, one touch for blue tooth, and Voice dialing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4ap...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YqPv...eature=related

Thanks for showing that to me. The dock looks neat, but I think it's more than I need. What I like about the cable that I have now is that it's just a simple cable that plugs into the bottom of the iPhone, but charges and plays it at the same time. I can also use a remote.

Also, I wish there was some sort of Android standard for microusb like the iFamily has. For instance, if I was to get the Droid X, that's great with all those accesories, but if I want to get an HTC, I'm screwed.

boswd · 03-03-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by forkyfork

Thanks for showing that to me. The dock looks neat, but I think it's more than I need. What I like about the cable that I have now is that it's just a simple cable that plugs into the bottom of the iPhone, but charges and plays it at the same time. I can also use a remote.

Also, I wish there was some sort of Android standard for microusb like the iFamily has. For instance, if I was to get the Droid X, that's great with all those accesories, but if I want to get an HTC, I'm screwed.

The droid x uses the industry standard micro usb port. I can use a blackberry nook kindle and anyother micro usb cord sold anywhere

HarryT · 03-03-2011, 08:07 AM

It's a pretty irrelevant argument. The Apple dock cable has been around for so many years, that even if it is manufacturer-specific, it's ubiquitous; anyone who owns iPods probably has a number of them lying around the house. I have more Apple dock cables than I know what to do with, just as I also have with mini- and micro-USB cable. Both are sold by any high-street electrical outlet.

madsquabbles · 03-03-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The iPhone is every bit as customisable as an Android phone. I'm not taking a swipe at Android - I think Android is great - but I really wish that people would get their facts right about Apple!

this is not true at all. android is far more customizable than an apple product even when not rooted. there are options for multiple launchers - adw, laucher pro, zeam, etc. you can also have widgets, live backgrounds...

if you're a tweaker then android is the better os right now. but if you're into better quality apps then apple has that locked down.

Lemurion · 03-03-2011, 08:17 AM

When it comes to cables - it's roughly even - I can use the same cable on my phone as I do on my Nook (the Sony 505 which is an older generation needs a different one, but it's electrically identical and adapters are cheap).

Apple does have an advantage in that docks do tend to work across devices - but even with Apple, devices that aren't the same size and form factor don't fit all the same physical accessories so it's not something that's really worth worrying about.

The big advantage I see to the non-Apple devices is the fact you're not locked in to proprietary software. I can plug any one of my Droid, Sony, or Nook into one of my computers and mount it as a mass storage device. Even with an OS that's locked down otherwise, I have my own data storage area that I can access as I wish.

It's the software lockdown with Apple that drives me nuts - and while I can see the benefits of their curated approach, I still think they went too far when it comes to locking things down.

arkietech · 03-03-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Look up "proprietary" in the dictionary: it simply means "somebody's property;" no more, no less. Apple's operating system is their property, just as Windows is Microsoft's property. Being proprietary is not inherently good or bad; it's simply a statement of a particular fact of legal ownership.

When I pay my money I like to own and control what I get. That doesn't work with Apple. I use Windows 7 .. unlike Apple it does what I want. If it doesn't I can load another OS that will.

ApK · 03-03-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It's a pretty irrelevant argument. The Apple dock cable has been around for so many years, that even if it is manufacturer-specific, it's ubiquitous; anyone who owns iPods probably has a number of them lying around the house.

Pretty relevant when Apple obsoleted all the old cables for video and required people to re-buy expensive authenticated video cables.

That was pretty much the move that turned me against them.

ApK

forkyfork · 03-03-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

The droid x uses the industry standard micro usb port. I can use a blackberry nook kindle and anyother micro usb cord sold anywhere

Right, but is there a standard microusb port that I could plug in that will charge AND play the unit at the same time like the iPhone has? If so, that would be great, but I don't think so.

HarryT · 03-03-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ApK

Pretty relevant when Apple obsoleted all the old cables for video and required people to re-buy expensive authenticated video cables.

That was pretty much the move that turned me against them.

ApK

You mean that cables stopped working on existing devices, or that they changed the video out on a new device?

03-03-2011, 12:07 AM	#50
forkyfork Zealot Posts: 145 Karma: 1664 Join Date: May 2009 Device: It's a long story ;)	Here's my take. I really like how Android is very customizable and lets the user have control, and I've actually considered getting one for my next smartphone to replace my iPhone... BUT... Right now, the Android can not match the accessories for my iFamily. I have an alarm clock by my bed that has an iPod dock on it. I can plug in any of my iPods or my Iphone, charge, play, and control it. In my car, I have a cord that does the same thing, and would also charge and play my iPad as well. On top of that, for whatever iProduct I own, there are tons of cases and accessories for it for me to choose from. So far, I haven't found anything like that on the Android OS, and unless Apple completely changes their port for the next release of the iPhone (which would be dumb), I'll probably get another iPhone myself. Last edited by forkyfork; 03-03-2011 at 12:11 AM.

03-03-2011, 08:07 AM	#54
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	It's a pretty irrelevant argument. The Apple dock cable has been around for so many years, that even if it is manufacturer-specific, it's ubiquitous; anyone who owns iPods probably has a number of them lying around the house. I have more Apple dock cables than I know what to do with, just as I also have with mini- and micro-USB cable. Both are sold by any high-street electrical outlet. Last edited by HarryT; 03-03-2011 at 08:12 AM.

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Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	When it comes to cables - it's roughly even - I can use the same cable on my phone as I do on my Nook (the Sony 505 which is an older generation needs a different one, but it's electrically identical and adapters are cheap). Apple does have an advantage in that docks do tend to work across devices - but even with Apple, devices that aren't the same size and form factor don't fit all the same physical accessories so it's not something that's really worth worrying about. The big advantage I see to the non-Apple devices is the fact you're not locked in to proprietary software. I can plug any one of my Droid, Sony, or Nook into one of my computers and mount it as a mass storage device. Even with an OS that's locked down otherwise, I have my own data storage area that I can access as I wish. It's the software lockdown with Apple that drives me nuts - and while I can see the benefits of their curated approach, I still think they went too far when it comes to locking things down.

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