Copyright is Out of Sight - Page 4

Catlady · 02-19-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wyndslash

besides, putting out CREATIVE content is not easy, and i do think they are entitled to be able to claim the benefits of their own work. ideas are not easy to come by.

Ideas are not protected by copyright.

SameOldStory · 02-20-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

I may not agree with what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

And I thought that the youth of today was anti-military. I'm glad that you'll be signing up.

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

LIBRARIANS SHOULD KNOW BETTER,

yes that is a paraphrased quote from the LOTR movie, which instilled deep knowledge into me.

Class, the word for today is callow. It is not a derogatory term, but simply means "Lacking adult maturity or experience".

It's purported that Abraham Lincoln said - "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt". I'll take that advice and leave now, before I say worse.

wyndslash · 02-20-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

Ideas are not protected by copyright.

i meant the physical production of ideas such as books o: copyright protects intellectual property, yes?

Giggleton · 02-20-2011, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

Ideas are not protected by copyright.

Where do Ideas begin? In the mind perhaps? Where does the mind begin??

That question might be beyond the scope of this forum, BUT, can we not think of our minds as part of a larger mind? Every decision made, every thought held, is simply a reaction to other thoughts made by other minds, all the way back to before the beginning of the universe?

Thought of in this way, copyright seems a bit trivial doesn't it? Not to mention the impedance it has caused human progress over the years.

I don't buy into the idea of people not wanting to get out of bed in the morning and create simply because there isn't a law on the books that will protect their creations monetarily. I don't give a damn about copyright and I never will and I try my best to create as much as I can and I know many others do as well.

Share everything you are capable of everywhere you can.

HansTWN · 02-20-2011, 01:46 AM

Why shouldn't writers get their fair share? They shouldn't get paid just so that freeloaders like you have more money in their pockets? Sorry, but why should people sign up for nonsense like that?

taustin · 02-20-2011, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

No, they get those because they lobby and pay politicians to make it happen

And nobody offers a coherent argument against hit. Only childish, whiney, "I don't WANNA pay for anything ever!" crap.

You do more to guarantee perpetual copyright than all Disney's lawyers combined.

Giggleton · 02-20-2011, 03:49 AM

Here we go,

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/dpla/Main_Page

HarryT · 02-20-2011, 04:05 AM

You haven't answered the question. What do YOU do for a living?

Giggleton · 02-20-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

You haven't answered the question. What do YOU do for a living?

A little of this and a little of that, I like making pizza mostly. Why do you ask? What do you do for a living?

Here's some funny people talking about copyright, webcast 77:10 in and 106:00

Michael McLovin · 02-20-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

Share everything you are capable of everywhere you can.

don't want to.

i'm not a humanitarian.
i'm not a philanthropist.
i'm not better than everyone else that i can treat the world as a charity case.
most of us in the publishing industry wants to be able to feed our families.

also in case you haven't noticed most advances in knowledge (be it in art, science or any other fields) happened because the people behind it were paid.

HarryT · 02-20-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

A little of this and a little of that, I like making pizza mostly. Why do you ask? What do you do for a living?

Do you work for free?

weatherwax · 02-20-2011, 11:01 AM

If somebody wants to publish their legally owned work for free and without copyright, they can do that today. But nobody has the right to expect that everybody does this.

Andrew H. · 02-20-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

This is on a pro-piracy website, and is written by someone from the Pirate Party in Sweden, so obviously it's a bit biased but if you read between the lines there is some interesting facts in there.

http://torrentfreak.com/nothing-new-...ed-sun-110218/

There are some interesting facts, but taken together the article is incoherent.

It is true, for example, that kings and the church (and after the reformation, churches) feared that the printing press could be used to spread seditious or heretical material, respectively. And it's also true that printers were required to be licensed so that the king could have control over what they published.

But there's really no connection between these practices and copyright law, which came hundreds of years later and did none of those things. From the beginning, copyright has been about protecting the author from unauthorized printings. You can disagree that this is a good idea, of course...but it's purpose is to cause *more* books to be published, not fewer. It's not *at all* about the King suppressing seditious works.

Nor are people who download the latest Black-Eyed Peas or Avatar or Nora Roberts because they don't want to pay for them revolutionaries in the mold of Thomas Paine.

Catlady · 02-20-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wyndslash

i meant the physical production of ideas such as books o: copyright protects intellectual property, yes?

It protects the way the ideas are expressed (e.g., the language used), not the ideas themselves.

mr ploppy · 02-20-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Nor are people who download the latest Black-Eyed Peas or Avatar or Nora Roberts because they don't want to pay for them revolutionaries in the mold of Thomas Paine.

I don't think price or saving money is the main motivation for most people, though it certainly will be for some. Convenience and (a lack of) visibility of the legal product will be the main driver. That and pirate sites having a 10 year headstart over legal digital content.

Avatar doesn't seem to have suffered financially from being downloaded though ...

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HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	Why shouldn't writers get their fair share? They shouldn't get paid just so that freeloaders like you have more money in their pockets? Sorry, but why should people sign up for nonsense like that?

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Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	Here we go, http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/dpla/Main_Page

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