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Interestingly, the original granting of copyrights had nothing to do with the actual creator of the art. People were granted a copyright on the bible. The good thing about copyrights back then is they were granted at the whim of the crown. What the king could grant, he could take back. Such grants frequently did not survive the granting king. |
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What's wrong with that? The works belong to the creators and they should have the right to control them as they see fit; and forever.
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Copyright has a tendency to make books disappear that might otherwise be available if they were available in the public domain. The Atlantic has a good article on the issue here, but here's a succinct summary: Quote:
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For a new book, copyright protection will increase its chance of being published. No publisher is going to spend money publishing a book that anyone can simply take and freely copy. |
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But what minimum length of copyright is necessary for this good effect? Certainly not life+70!
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No, I entirely agree. I'd go for something like life+20, personally. I certainly think an author should retain control of their work during their lifetime, and be able to make reasonable provision for their family after their death, but 70 years after death is way too long.
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That's plenty of time for anyone to get a good return on their creation. But we'll never see it. |
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If the idea is to benefit society, then copyright should last until the death of the author. Anything less cheats the author of income and anything more cheats society of whatever they're supposed to benefit from.
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Longer copyright terms affect the availability of older books that are no longer being published (see the Atlantic article on this). Publishers will publish books that are in the public domain, as happens today, just like companies will release movies on DVD that are available in the public domain. These works can also become available on-line or otherwise without a publisher, making them more widely available. I'm guessing that you would agree that copyright can bury older works where the copyrightholder isn't interested in publishing. Feel free to correct me on that. Books that are not in the public domain are not available to be republisehd or reused. In 50 years, I still won't be able to create a story set at Hogwarts without permission, so in that sense copyright affects what I can create. In my post above, I indicated that I thought reusing worlds and expressions was a good thing, but my main point was that there are down sides to copyright in that it makes older books less available. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 05-06-2014 at 01:11 PM. |
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We do agree on that. It was your remark that longer copyright terms affected the availability of new books that I didn't understand. New books will always be protected by copyright, by the mere fact that they are new.
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Let them try to control it forever without copyright. Now, let them show a little gratitude for being granted that temporary right.
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Gratitude to the State for allowing creators to temporarily keep what they created? Maybe we should afford land owners this same wonderful right? Life + 70 and your land reverts back to the State.
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We do something very similar in the UK in the form of death duties (inheritance tax). If, when you die, the value of your estate exceeds a relatively modest value (currently £325,000 - about half a million dollars), then your heirs have to pay 40% tax on the entire value of the estate. This means that each new generation of heirs to the property has to come up with 40% of its value in order to keep it, so in three generations (roughly the length of a copyright term) the government receives rather more than the estate's value in the form of tax.
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