10-02-2012, 11:28 AM | #46 | |
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Downloading a file is not the same as theft of a physical object. It's not theft at all, as I see it. "Unauthorized copying" is probably the best term. I do think downloading is wrong, because creative people should be supported and compensated for their time, talent, and effort, and becuase they should have control of their intellectual property (for a time. Life + 75 years is ludicrous). But it is not theft per se. I don't necessarily disagree that it should be punishable offense, but anything more than a mild fine or temporary loss of internet is pure overkill. |
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[quote] A lot of these problems have arisen because the content distributors simply do not want to reconsider their business model in the light of such massive technological and cultural change. NetFlix and such one charge, unlimited content services are the future of electronic content but the big companies are extremely resistant to applying this simple idea more widely. Digital distribution should be about services not content. [/quotes] I disagree with this...mostly. The iTunes music store is about 10 years old, and it's been drm free for about the last 5 years. It's quick and easy to buy a song; you can buy individual songs; they are cheap. But there is still rampant music piracy. Even all-you-can eat subscription models like spotify haven't stopped it. At some point you have to stop blaming the victims and just realize that some people want things for free, and that no business model, no matter how liberal, will stop this. Quote:
It doesn't make a lot of sense to impose $200,000 in statutory penalties on Jammie Thomas; but it also doesn't make sense to treat her like a hero, either: the $5,000 settlement she turned down would probably have been reasonable. Quote:
More to the point, starting at about the same times, many jurisdictions took away the "with intent to permanently deprive" language from theft statutes, replacing it with something like "with intent to deprive the owner of any part of the item's use or value." You can, of course, debate whether this is a good idea. But in a lot of jurisdictions, copyright infringement does, in fact, meet the definition of theft. |
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10-02-2012, 12:04 PM | #48 | |
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but people downloading torrents with thousands of such cheaply priced items will be in deep problems worst yet: they most likely don't even watch/listen/read all that stuff. They just NEED to fill up the whole HD. |
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10-02-2012, 12:09 PM | #49 | |
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Yeah, sure. Nothing stolen besides months or years worth of work with watered-down sales thanks to it being readily copied in under 3 secs since published and distributed for free by leeches. I prefer to call it hypocrisy. |
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10-02-2012, 12:11 PM | #50 |
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I'm afraid I'm having difficulty in feeling sorry for them.
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10-02-2012, 12:16 PM | #51 |
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I think Namekusejin's point is that some of these copyright abusers are akin to kleptomaniacs. It is like a disease trying to fill your hard drive with all kinds of digital content, not because you need or want it, but because you can. I suppose you can call it "convenient kleptomania, now from the comforts of your own bedroom".
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10-02-2012, 12:50 PM | #52 | |
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Anyway, and like others have pointed out, there were a lot of bootleg LPs about back in the day. I probably have thirty five or forty myself. |
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10-02-2012, 01:48 PM | #53 |
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I have noticed that a few of the books in the mobileread library have copyright covers. What fine would that entail for the uploader, the site and the downloaders?
One book has been downloaded 247 times. The uploader now owes $123,500 if each infringement is calculated at $500 per download. The downloaders each pay $500 so another $123,500. Also the host would be liable too so $123,500 in total for allowing an infringing image to be downloaded. Perhaps the charge should be less for a book cover but why so? I am sure it was a simple error in this case but that error would ruin the uploader. Last edited by corroonb; 10-02-2012 at 05:59 PM. |
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Did I just equate downloading a book with counterfeiting? No. Counterfeiting is wrong because it dilutes the value of other copies of that bill. Downloading doesn't do that. However, I would compare uploading a copyrighted book to a web site to counterfeiting, since it dilutes the value of other copies of the book. P.S. I realize one big difference between counterfeiting and uploading is that the counterfeiter does it for selfish reasons, and the uploader probably thinks he or she is doing other people a service. It's ironic that good motives sometimes lead to bad actions. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 10-02-2012 at 09:09 PM. |
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I suppose the problem is thus, if a book is available anywhere it should be available everywhere. |
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10-02-2012, 09:53 PM | #57 | |
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Your system means that the government has to either fund hate groups, or say which books are beyond the pale. Neither is acceptable. It's true that government-paid librarians already make some decisions of this type today. But the censorship aspect here is, today, highly dilute because not all books are bought with government funds, and the decisions as to what books the government will buy are disparate and decentralized. In your system, there would have to be some kind of national or world-wide book Czar deciding whether the newest translation of (put here whatever book you most dislike) gets funded. This should not be acceptable in a democracy (or in any other country). Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 10-02-2012 at 10:00 PM. |
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10-03-2012, 06:50 AM | #58 | ||
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And yes, I agree to assume that if someone sneaks into the theatre while one movie is being played he's actually watching it. But, if someone downloads one of those torrents with 10.000 ebooks in it, to assume that he reads them all is totally another thing, given that it's almost 200 years of reading time. It's like to assume that if someone sneaks into a theatre he's watching all the movies being palyed a that time in the entire world... To fine someone just because he saved a file that may or may not contain some copyrighted material is palinly unfair. OTOH, to fine the one who actually reads that content without contributing to its creation (directly, like buying the book, or indirectly, like borrowing it from someone who paid) is for sure more fair. Quote:
Here the big underlying mistake is trying to put a value to a single digital copy, which is intrinsecally zero. And, alas, there is no way out, unless the industry learns to separate values and prices of the content from those of the container and starts to sell access to novels rather than copies of books. It's not easy, but it's where the world is going, like it or not. |
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