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Old 01-11-2011, 05:48 AM   #526
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If I'm publishing just out of the desire to publish and not turning my art into a living as well, I wouldn't care at all that Amazon would remove my items from sale - chances are I would sell from my own website in these cases anyway. However, if I also wanted to make a living out of my art and I knew that the largest portion of income would come from Amazon, I would be truly upset that I'd have to compromise the art for the sake of my living.
The simple solution would be to create two versions, a bit like film companies used to do special TV versions with people saying flip off you flipping flipper and with all the best scenes cut out. So the real version goes on Smashwords, the kid-friendly version goes on Amazon. That way everyone's happy, right?
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The simple solution would be to create two versions, a bit like film companies used to do special TV versions with people saying flip off you flipping flipper and with all the best scenes cut out. So the real version goes on Smashwords, the kid-friendly version goes on Amazon. That way everyone's happy, right?
There are many many of examples of creations being re-worked for other situations, sometimes by the same author, sometimes - under licence - by other writers. Witness all the books turned into movies; witness all the abridged versions of books; I remember being introduced to Tarzan through books cut-down for 12-15 year-olds. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the translation works well, sometimes the translation is effectively something almost completely new. For some works and some artists I think the artist is likely to be constrained by their own nature, and the nature of the work. And even if the artist is able to choose, the ability to do it twice is much less certain. Inspiration, once expressed, can be very difficult to recapture and treat as new. So doing it twice happens a lot, but it's not always a way to make "everyone happy".
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The simple solution would be to create two versions, a bit like film companies used to do special TV versions with people saying flip off you flipping flipper and with all the best scenes cut out. So the real version goes on Smashwords, the kid-friendly version goes on Amazon. That way everyone's happy, right?
Scares the hell out of me as a reader - but it could work in theory. I would hope that there is something that warns the reader that they're getting a altered version of the original work though.

But I would definitely encourage the author to pester his publisher about Smashwords (and even maybe Rainbow eBooks) as long as there's no existing geographic restrictions for the books.

You know after all this discussion, the funny thing is that I don't even know if these ebooks were ever available to me in Australia. Geographic restrictions are currently a bigger obstacle for me than Amazon deciding to remove titles from sale. I'm still not sure why publishers denying whole markets to authors and a large body of work from the reading public wouldn't lead to rampant piracy - but that's another discussion.

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So was not allowing blacks to sit in the front of the bus or eat at certain lunch counters. And I guess since it WAS business as usual, that's all just fine and dandy. After all, businesses can do what they like, right? After all, they were just doing what everybody else was doing. Even Ron Paul thinks that's the way it should be.

Oh, and let's not forget the fact that 100 years ago women couldn't vote or have their own checking accounts or own property if they were married or get divorced except under EXTREME circumstances, even if their husbands beat them. That was business as usual, too.

So was shipping the Jews off to Auschwitz, for a while.

Yeah, great comment. Lovely. In the true spirit of humanity. You should be proud to have posted it.
you need to get right the f*ck over your damn self. I didn't say it was right or good, I said it was business as usual for the time. what few sympathies I had for you are waning the more you whine and cry here.
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Scares the hell out of me as a reader - but it could work in theory. I would hope that there is something that warns the reader that they're getting a altered version of the original work though.
I don't think Amazon would allow you to make it clear they were only selling a censored version, but maybe "Amazon version" would end up just as well understood as "TV version" is now?

If the only other alternative is no Amazon version at all, it would certainly make commercial sense to release two versions. I don't think it would create that much extra work, and it would probably be something that could be farmed out to a third party.

If it is just swearing that might cause problems it could be solved with a quick search and replace (first letter of word followed by stars). Sex scenes tend to be standalone, so you could chop those out easily enough. Violence would be a bit tricky, but not impossible.
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you need to get right the f*ck over your damn self. I didn't say it was right or good, I said it was business as usual for the time. what few sympathies I had for you are waning the more you whine and cry here.
Did I hit a nerve pointing out the casual crassness of your post?

If my "whining" and "crying" is getting to you, far be it from me to hold you here. You're free to move about the boards to your heart's desire.
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Did I hit a nerve pointing out the casual crassness of your post?

If my "whining" and "crying" is getting to you, far be it from me to hold you here. You're free to move about the boards to your heart's desire.
just walkin' away from this
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Scares the hell out of me as a reader - but it could work in theory. I would hope that there is something that warns the reader that they're getting a altered version of the original work though.

But I would definitely encourage the author to pester his publisher about Smashwords (and even maybe Rainbow eBooks) as long as there's no existing geographic restrictions for the books.

You know after all this discussion, the funny thing is that I don't even know if these ebooks were ever available to me in Australia. Geographic restrictions are currently a bigger obstacle for me than Amazon deciding to remove titles from sale. I'm still not sure why publishers denying whole markets to authors and a large body of work from the reading public wouldn't lead to rampant piracy - but that's another discussion.

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Look at what's happening with "Huckelberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer." Taking out "nigger" and "injun" and replacing them with less volitale words -- "slave" for "Huck" but I don't recall exactly what it was for "Injun" Joe. It's a desecration of the book's intent and is being done "for all the right reasons." As usual.
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Look at what's happening with "Huckelberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer." Taking out "nigger" and "injun" and replacing them with less volitale words -- "slave" for "Huck" but I don't recall exactly what it was for "Injun" Joe. It's a desecration of the book's intent and is being done "for all the right reasons." As usual.
Which reader do you use, to read e-books?
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s/he already stated that s/he doesn't have one and won't get one
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FWIW -- Amazon blinked. More later, once I know for sure this is real.
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I don't and won't. I'm old-fashioned that way.
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