Silliness Quiz - Page 358

Stitchawl · 01-20-2012, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maianhvk

Question:
Can you determine who keeps fish?

No. But I can tell you who does NOT keep fish.

Stitchawl

SneakySnake · 01-20-2012, 02:26 AM

The fish was fed to the cat!

pdurrant · 01-20-2012, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maianhvk

Okay, time for an easy exercise. Let's solve the Einstein quiz. Many of you may have done it before...

This is an elaborate 5x5 sudoku. I don't like sudoku.

SneakySnake · 01-20-2012, 05:49 AM

Now I know that I may get it. But now it is beddie byes. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Bilbo1967 · 01-20-2012, 06:05 AM

Is it a trick question? I don't see fish mentioned anywhere, how do we know anybody keeps fish?

pdurrant · 01-20-2012, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Is it a trick question? I don't see fish mentioned anywhere, how do we know anybody keeps fish?

Four pets are mentioned (Horses, Cats, Dogs, Birds). The one who keeps fish is the one who doesn't keep Horses, Cats, Dogs or Birds.

Billi · 01-20-2012, 06:36 AM

No, it' not a trick question. And it's possible to solve without having a brain like Mr Einstein!

(Accidently I've found this riddle two weeks ago, so I would feel like cheating.)

Graphical spoiler for Stitchawl

Spoiler:

Stitchawl · 01-20-2012, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

Is it a trick question? I don't see fish mentioned anywhere, how do we know anybody keeps fish?

THAT is the point! Nothing it mentioned about fish, especially who might keep them, and Maianhvk's questions was:

Quote:

Can you determine who keeps fish?

So the only logical answer is "No, you can't." She didn't ask 'who keeps fish.'

We might 'assume' that , as Paul says, the one who keeps fish is the one who doesn't keep the other pets (the German,) but we don't have any facts to back it up, which is why my answer was
"No. But I can tell you who does NOT keep fish."

In reality, we don't know for certain of one of the others ALSO keeps fish...

Stitchawl

Stitchawl · 01-20-2012, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billi

No, it' not a trick question. And it's possible to solve without having a brain like Mr Einstein!

(Accidently I've found this riddle two weeks ago, so I would feel like cheating.)

Graphical spoiler for Stitchawl
[SPOILER]

Thanks, Billi, but this only tells us that the German has no pets listed. The original information doesn't give any indication that the one without any pets listed might have fish. Anh's actual question wasn't asking 'who keeps fish,' rather it asked 'can we determine' who keeps fish. The only possible answer is 'no.'

Stitchawl

red_phoenix · 01-20-2012, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maianhvk

Okay, time for an easy exercise. Let's solve the Einstein quiz. Many of you may have done it before...

Facts:
There are 5 houses in 5 different colors.
In each house lives a person with a different nationality.
These 5 owners drink a certain beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar and keep a certain pet.
No owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar or drink the same drink.
Hints:
The Brit lives in a red house.
The Swede keeps dogs as pets.
The Dane drinks tea.
The green house is on the left of the white house.
The green house owner drinks coffee.
The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds.
The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
The man living in the house right in the centre drinks milk.
The Norwegian lives in the first house.
The man who smokes Blend lives next to the one who keeps cats.
The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill.
The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer.
The German smokes Prince.
The Norwegian lives next to the blue house.
The man who smokes Blend has a neighbor who drinks water.

Question:
Can you determine who keeps fish?

The riddle does mention that all house owners keep a "certain pet" and that no two owners have the same pet. The question asks "...who keeps fish?" meaning that one of these owners has fish.

At least that is how I am interpreting the question.

Billi · 01-20-2012, 08:46 AM

Stitchawl, I see your point but I also interpreted it like red_pheonix did. Maybe it is a little bit unluckily translated as in German it goes: Wer hat einen Fisch (Who has a fish)?

HomeInMyShoes · 01-20-2012, 09:32 AM

It's obvious. The German keeps fish.

Code:

NATIONALITY  Norwegian    Dane     Brit        German    Swede
HOUSE        yellow       blue     red         green     white
PET          cats         horses   birds       fish      dogs
DRINK        water        tea      milk        coffee    beer
SMOKE        Dunhill      Blend    Pall mall   Prince    Blue Master

We know three things to start (milk in the middle, Norwegian on the end and the blue house beside the Norweigian). The house colours were the next easiest thing to figure out since we knew where blue was and the green and white were buddies so there were only two combinations even if you were guessing.

Stitchawl · 01-20-2012, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billi

Stitchawl, I see your point but I also interpreted it like red_pheonix did. Maybe it is a little bit unluckily translated as in German it goes: Wer hat einen Fisch (Who has a fish)?

I guess we have to wait for Anh to wake up to find out which part of her question was to be answered.
"Can you determine who keeps fish?" to me seems to be two questions;
A. Can you determine something?
B. Who keeps fish?
Only Anh can tell us which she was going for.

Sort of like "Why is the sky blue?" Another two-part question.
Theologians have been asking the question; "Why?" for years and getting a multitude of answers that are all at differing levels, so we can skip that part of the question, unless we too want to spend years on it.
And the second part; "Is the sky blue?" Well, yeah. Just take a look at it...

Stitchawl

Stitchawl · 01-20-2012, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

It's obvious. The German keeps fish.

While it's true that there are no listed pets for the German, there is also nothing that says the German keeps fish. He may. Or he may not. All we know is that there are no other listed pets for the German.

We have no way to determine who keeps fish.

Stitchawl

maianhvk · 01-20-2012, 10:50 AM

Well well well, I knew you guys would debate about it...

There are indeed 3 possible answers, you all came up with them:
- We can't determine who keeps the fish, because the fifth pet can be any animal: the word "fish" isn't mentioned anywhere but the question. That fish is the fifth pet is only our assumption, so the first possible answer is that: we can't. (Stitchawl, Bilbo)
- If you do it the normal way, it's only a logical and technical process: you assume that fish is the fifth one, and then after some minutes you're sure that the German keeps fish. (Billi, HIMS)
(as for Paul, I'm not sure which side he's on

)

However, the full answer I was expecting has 2 parts: first, you conclude that the fifth pet doesn't have to be fish, and second, you use all the clues to exclude 4 people (Not Brit, not Dane, not Swede and not Norwegian).
In other words, you can't determine who keeps the fish, but you know who don't.

So... nobody's perfect, but together we can solve the famous quiz! It's rumored that Einstein said only 2% of the people in the world could solve his quiz, but we don't know if it was really Einstein's. And I think the world is also more intelligent now than it was in Einstein's time, because many people can come to one of 3 answers pretty quickly.

Over to... er, Stitchawl, or Billi, or HIMS. (Paul's and Bilbo's answers were not very clear...

)

01-20-2012, 06:36 AM	#5362
Billi Wizard Posts: 3,388 Karma: 14190103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Berlin Device: Cybook, iRex, PB, Onyx	No, it' not a trick question. And it's possible to solve without having a brain like Mr Einstein! (Accidently I've found this riddle two weeks ago, so I would feel like cheating.) Graphical spoiler for Stitchawl Spoiler: On this site: http://www2.fh-rosenheim.de/gki/pdf/pdf.htm in the right column you will find a file "Aufgaben & Lösungen 1-4". Open the pdf file and on pages 6-8 you see this problems solved in pictures. The text around is in German but I think one can guess the logic nonverbally, "Regeln" is rules and gives the number of the sentence.

01-20-2012, 09:32 AM	#5367
HomeInMyShoes Grand Sorcerer Posts: 19,226 Karma: 67780237 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: none	It's obvious. The German keeps fish. Code: NATIONALITY Norwegian Dane Brit German Swede HOUSE yellow blue red green white PET cats horses birds fish dogs DRINK water tea milk coffee beer SMOKE Dunhill Blend Pall mall Prince Blue Master We know three things to start (milk in the middle, Norwegian on the end and the blue house beside the Norweigian). The house colours were the next easiest thing to figure out since we knew where blue was and the green and white were buddies so there were only two combinations even if you were guessing.

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maianhvk whimsical Posts: 2,779 Karma: 88193939 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: in darkness Device: current: PPW 4. brick: K3 & Voyage.	Well well well, I knew you guys would debate about it... There are indeed 3 possible answers, you all came up with them: - We can't determine who keeps the fish, because the fifth pet can be any animal: the word "fish" isn't mentioned anywhere but the question. That fish is the fifth pet is only our assumption, so the first possible answer is that: we can't. (Stitchawl, Bilbo) - If you do it the normal way, it's only a logical and technical process: you assume that fish is the fifth one, and then after some minutes you're sure that the German keeps fish. (Billi, HIMS) (as for Paul, I'm not sure which side he's on ) However, the full answer I was expecting has 2 parts: first, you conclude that the fifth pet doesn't have to be fish, and second, you use all the clues to exclude 4 people (Not Brit, not Dane, not Swede and not Norwegian). In other words, you can't determine who keeps the fish, but you know who don't. So... nobody's perfect, but together we can solve the famous quiz! It's rumored that Einstein said only 2% of the people in the world could solve his quiz, but we don't know if it was really Einstein's. And I think the world is also more intelligent now than it was in Einstein's time, because many people can come to one of 3 answers pretty quickly. Over to... er, Stitchawl, or Billi, or HIMS. (Paul's and Bilbo's answers were not very clear... )

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