Global warming or not?

[WT Sharpe]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

Doesn't the oil industry fund opposition to the idea of global warming?
E.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...er-us-lobbying

Exactly. Last time I checked, they had some rather deep pockets.

The experts in the field--the climatologists--are virtually all in agreement that global warming is happening now and is in no inconsiderable amount caused by human activity.

Mainstream science media outlets like Nature reflect this consensus.

[kennyc]

Just ran across this and thought I'd pass it on:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...n-attribution/

"How do we know what caused climate to change – or even if anything did?

This is a central question with respect to recent temperature trends, but of course it is much more general and applies to a whole range of climate changes over all time scales. Judging from comments we receive here and discussions elsewhere on the web, there is a fair amount of confusion about how this process works and what can (and cannot) be said with confidence. For instance, many people appear to (incorrectly) think that attribution is just based on a naive correlation of the global mean temperature, or that it is impossible to do unless a change is ‘unprecedented’ or that the answers are based on our lack of imagination about other causes.

In fact the process is more sophisticated than these misconceptions imply and I’ll go over the main issues below. But the executive summary is this:

* You can’t do attribution based only on statistics
* Attribution has nothing to do with something being “unprecedented”
* You always need a model of some sort
* The more distinct the fingerprint of a particular cause is, the easier it is to detect

......"

(see link for complete article)

[kennyc]

Latest from noaa:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...stats_sup.html

"Global Highlights -- May 2010

The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for May was the warmest on record, at 1.24°F (0.69°C) above the 20th century average of 58.6°F (14.8°C).
The global land surface temperature for May was 1.87°F (1.04°C) above the 20th century average of 52.0°F (11.1°C) -- the warmest on record.
The May worldwide ocean temperature was the second warmest on record, behind 1998. The temperature anomaly was 0.99°F (0.55°C) above the 20th century average of 61.3°F (16.3°C).
Warm temperatures were present over most of the globe's land areas. The warmest temperature anomalies occurred in eastern North America, eastern Brazil, Eastern Europe, southern Asia, eastern Russia, and equatorial Africa. The Chinese province of Yunnan had its warmest May since 1951. Numerous locations in Ontario, Canada had their warmest May on record.
Anomalously cool conditions were present across western North America, northern Argentina, interior Asia, and Western Europe. Germany had its coolest May since 1991 and its 12th coolest May on record......"

See link for full article.

[wodin]

As you said:

Originally Posted by kennyc

* You can’t do attribution based only on statistics
* Attribution has nothing to do with something being “unprecedented”
* You always need a model of some sort
* The more distinct the fingerprint of a particular cause is, the easier it is to detect

[SameOldStory]

I've come a little late to this, and I must say that it's very interesting. The view of some is hard to understand.

I would like to see a national organization formed to lead us into a new future. We should also have local meetings too.

What do you think? Can we form a Global Warming Society?

Al Gore should be our leader. Although I'm not too sure what he did. He seems to be a hero of the movement from things I've heard.

[kennyc]

Once more, proof positive! Global warming is here:

http://www.9news.com/news/article.as...1773&catid=339

Hottest day since 2008!

[happy_terd]

well, if it is on the internet then it has to be true.

[lene1949]

I'm just wondering what I voted?

[obs20]

This may be a little off topic but 160 years ago there was a similar debate going on concerning the cause of cholera.

John Snow plenty of good data yet most refused to believe him.

Here are a few of links:


http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/43438/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Snow_%28physician%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Br...olera_outbreak

[SameOldStory]

I'm getting woried. How long is global warming going to last?

Has anybody read this book?
Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years

[kennyc]

No but it sounds interesting.

[astra]

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

I'm getting woried. How long is global warming going to last?

Has anybody read this book?
Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years

No. Stop it. It is a pack of lies. Global warming is mankind's fault.
If you succeed to prove it otherwise you are going to leave a bunch of swindlers without a job the purpose of which is to brainwash people that it is our fault and get paid for it.

[happy_terd]

Their leader does sort of seem like the typical cult leader.

[SameOldStory]

Originally Posted by astra

No. Stop it. It is a pack of lies. Global warming is mankind's fault.
If you succeed to prove it otherwise you are going to leave a bunch of swindlers without a job the purpose of which is to brainwash people that it is our fault and get paid for it.

Look, astra. I haven't read the damned book. It may very well say that WE are responsible every 1,500 years. So don't pick on me!

[WT Sharpe]