Amazon removed books from my Kindle

[hondabf]

Originally Posted by slm

I don't find the battery drain excessive when I leave the wi-fi on.

Good on you, some other people do.

Originally Posted by slm

I can't blame Amazon for not fixing a problem that only arises if you don't connect to the Amazon server frequently enough: your choice, but you also choose the expected consequences.

Your comment is quite dumb.


The “consequences” should be limited to not having the store or whispersync service available, not books being deleted from the device. The bug should be fixed regardless of whether it is a wi-fi problem or not. Do not blame the users for their dumb software.

You might as well argue that Amazon should remove the toggle for wi-fi in the next update or tell us that our device must stay connected at all times just so we don't run into their incompetent software (sorry, "expected consequences"), at least in that last case we could all move on from Kindle, which is what people on r/kindle or r/ereader are doing right now.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by slm

Or--of course--to just keep wifi turned on all the time.

That is not a solution. If you have a new enough Kindle, you'll end up getting the new firmware that has a nice new feature called Battery Drain.

Keeping the WiFi on will use up the battery more for no reason when calibre is the solution.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by slm

It is, of course, your choice. I don't find the battery drain excessive when I leave the wi-fi on and I can't blame Amazon for not fixing a problem that only arises if you don't connect to the Amazon server frequently enough: your choice, but you also choose the expected consequences.

Please don't say it's a user error. It's not. It's an Amazon error.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by slm

One possible explanation for this is that Amazon is trying to fix what it views as a mistake. Some years ago I bought a left-behind PW3G from Unclaimed Baggage. Unclaimed Baggage had signed the original user out of the kindle but otherwise left it intact--It had a recent edition of the Sunday (London) Times and a few other books.

When I registered it, those books stayed on the Kindle and stayed available to me (because the Kindle DRM uses the device serial number).

I enjoyed the Sunday Times, but I don't think it and the other books should have remained available when I changed the registration.

You said it yourself. The DRM is tied to the serial number. So yes, those eBooks are allowed to be there when you registered.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by slm

Actually, I was more concerned about the impact on the person who left the Kindle behind. While nothing on this particular Kindle was embarrassing (unless you think reading the Sunday Times is itself incriminating), there could have been items that should not have been seen by me.

The Sunday Times is embarrassing if it's the Sunday Times from the UK. But if it's the Sunday Times from the US, that's OK.

[whochan]

my books and highlights are gone too. wow

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by whochan

my books and highlights are gone too. wow

Welcome to the I've been screwed, blued & tattooed by Amazon club.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by whochan

my books and highlights are gone too. wow

The solution is to keep WiFi off and do not turn it on. Also you don't want WiFi on in case you get the rubbish firmware that locks your Kindle and eats the battery.

[Sarmat89]

Originally Posted by DNSB

And yet here we are with Amazon merrily removing user content in contrast

That content was maliciously changed to present it as copyrighted content produced by Amazon. It is their right to remove the content they own with unclear licensing status.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

That content was maliciously changed to present it as copyrighted content produced by Amazon. It is their right to remove the content they own with unclear licensing status.

No, it isn't. The author owns the content, not Amazon. Amazon doesn't produce content, it only sells the content produced by others.

[Sarmat89]

Every publisher produces copyrighted content by transforming another copyrighted content under a license from the author or another copyright holder.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

Every publisher produces copyrighted content by transforming another copyrighted content under a license from the author or another copyright holder.

I'm pretty sure most of those sideloaded books were not published by Amazon, only sold by them. The bookstore doesn't own the copyright of the books it sells.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

That content was maliciously changed to present it as copyrighted content produced by Amazon. It is their right to remove the content they own with unclear licensing status.

What is the logic behind stating that using EBOK as the book type make it copyrighted content produced by Amazon? And even stranger claiming that that was a malicious act. The books I used for testing were PD so no copyright.

Are you claiming that despite Amazon licensing/selling many books produced by other publishers that since those books show an EBOK booktype that they are Amazon produced content to which Amazon now owns the copyright?

Amazon did state that they would not remove books from Kindles again back when they removed 1984.

Originally Posted by Sarmat89

Every publisher produces copyrighted content by transforming another copyrighted content under a license from the author or another copyright holder.

The copyright resides with the copyright owner. Allowing Amazon to publish your copyrighted material does not grant Amazon a copyright.

[slm]

I may have lost track of what the bug is: does the deletion occur if you leave wi-fi on continuously?
If not, then Amazon is NOT intentionally removing the books because of the change in type--if it were intentional it would not be limited to devices that return to wi-fi after a long time off.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by slm

I may have lost track of what the bug is: does the deletion occur if you leave wi-fi on continuously?
If not, then Amazon is NOT intentionally removing the books because of the change in type--if it were intentional it would not be limited to devices that return to wi-fi after a long time off.

I haven't seen a report that where if you leave WiFI on continuously, books were deleted. It seems to be tied to having WiFi off for a long period, having ebooks on your Kindle that have an ASIN that matches an existing Amazon book and not having that matching book as a purchase/KU loan/whatever in your account.

My suspicion is that it is intentional to remove books from a device that have been removed from the account while WiFi was off but has the side effect of removing sideloaded content that was never in the account.