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Old 07-08-2021, 12:39 AM   #5206
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Agreed.

I'm thinking of starting a sword & sorcery thread in the reading recs section, though I'm not looking forward to suggestions of Lord of the Rings and Terry Brooks as sword & sorcery😢
But they do fit. So get ready.
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Old 07-08-2021, 08:42 AM   #5207
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Sword and Sorcery thread would be nice. AKA Heroic Fantasy which would include Tolkien and Brooks, but Sword and Sorcery specifically always seemed a different anImal to me, primarily started by Howard.
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Old 07-08-2021, 10:10 AM   #5208
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Agreed.

I'm thinking of starting a sword & sorcery thread in the reading recs section, though I'm not looking forward to suggestions of Lord of the Rings and Terry Brooks as sword & sorcery��
If you put a sticky at the top saying that thread forbids LOTR and Shannara recommendations, I will still join your group. Even though they are my favorites.
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If you put a sticky at the top saying that thread forbids LOTR and Shannara recommendations, I will still join your group. Even though they are my favorites.
I don't hate them. Just sword and sorcery and high fantasy are different things. I guess I'll go start that thread.
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Old 07-08-2021, 09:13 PM   #5210
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I don't hate them. Just sword and sorcery and high fantasy are different things. I guess I'll go start that thread.
I agree with you - completely.

Sword & Sorcery is a sub-category of Fantasy - a branch, if you will. A Sword & Sorcery thread would exclude the over-arching umbrella that includes Fantasy, which is all inclusive. I would want such authors/characters, as listed below - to name only a few of the classic examples:

Karl Edward Wagner's Kane stories
Fritz Leiber - Fafhrd and Gray Mouser
Some Michael Moorcock
Howard's Conan stories
Lin Carter's Thongor of Lemuria
Steve Dilks' stories of Gunthar
Gardner F. Fox 's Kothar stories
Joel Jenkin's Dire novels
T.C. Rypal
David C. Smith's novels
David C. Smith & Richard L. Tierney / Robert E. Howard - Red Sonja
Andrew J. Offutt
Davd Mason's Kavin novels


Now to be sure, these are only some of the classic writers (and a few newer ones). It's an easy jump to Sword and Planet stories, and from thence to Otis Adelbert Kline and Edgar Rice Burroughs.

There would then be authors such as:

C.L. Moore (certain works)
Henry Kuttner (certain works)
Leigh Brackett (certain works)


Publisher: DMR appears to be concentrating solely upon many of the newer writers of sword & sorcery.

My concern: I don't think the term sword & sorcery would be respected. You would start to get the overlapping term 'heroic fantasy, and then clueless individuals (e.g., those who have no idea what the term signifies) would start to include straight fantasy.

For those uninitiated who think that Fantasy alone - as a genre - is also sword & sorcery, they might wish to check out the link below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery

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I don't think I have read any of these before (although they sound good). Would Michael J Sullivan's stories be in this sub-genre (at least the first ones with Royce and Hadrian)? Just curious since I don't exactly know where the dividing line would be. Thanks!
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Old 07-09-2021, 02:49 AM   #5212
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I agree with you - completely.

Sword & Sorcery is a sub-category of Fantasy - a branch, if you will. A Sword & Sorcery thread would exclude the over-arching umbrella that includes Fantasy, which is all inclusive. I would want such authors/characters, as listed below - to name only a few of the classic examples:

Karl Edward Wagner's Kane stories
Fritz Leiber - Fafhrd and Gray Mouser
Some Michael Moorcock
Howard's Conan stories
Lin Carter's Thongor of Lemuria
Steve Dilks' stories of Gunthar
Gardner F. Fox 's Kothar stories
Joel Jenkin's Dire novels
T.C. Rypal
David C. Smith's novels
David C. Smith & Richard L. Tierney / Robert E. Howard - Red Sonja
Andrew J. Offutt
Davd Mason's Kavin novels


Now to be sure, these are only some of the classic writers (and a few newer ones). It's an easy jump to Sword and Planet stories, and from thence to Otis Adelbert Kline and Edgar Rice Burroughs.

There would then be authors such as:

C.L. Moore (certain works)
Henry Kuttner (certain works)
Leigh Brackett (certain works)


Publisher: DMR appears to be concentrating solely upon many of the newer writers of sword & sorcery.

My concern: I don't think the term sword & sorcery would be respected. You would start to get the overlapping term 'heroic fantasy, and then clueless individuals (e.g., those who have no idea what the term signifies) would start to include straight fantasy.

For those uninitiated who think that Fantasy alone - as a genre - is also sword & sorcery, they might wish to check out the link below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery
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Why are you discussing a reading recommendation thread in a deals thread?
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:48 AM   #5215
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Here's the link for the 'Sword & Sorcery' reading, recommendation, and discussion thread:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=340528

Please keep the Fantasy and Science Fiction out of it.

...Or Santa Claus will not visit your house this Christmas. (He's busy fighting evil sorcerers with his broadsword.)
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Old 07-10-2021, 07:33 AM   #5217
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I don't think I have read any of these before (although they sound good). Would Michael J Sullivan's stories be in this sub-genre (at least the first ones with Royce and Hadrian)? Just curious since I don't exactly know where the dividing line would be. Thanks!
I'm a little woolley about the dividing line too. Would Zelazny's Amber and Hawkins' Goblin world count? Both have sword battles and magic.
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Philip K. Dick’s Electric Dreams is $1.99 at Amazon US.

A collection of 10 stories (I assume the ones adapted for the show of the same name, but I haven't watched the show yet).

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Though perhaps most famous as a novelist, Philip K. Dick wrote more than one hundred short stories over the course of his career, each as mind-bending and genre-defining as his longer works. Philip K. Dick’s Electric Dreams collects ten of the best. In “Autofac,” Dick shows us one of the earliest examples (and warnings) in science fiction of self-replicating machines. “Exhibit Piece” and “The Commuter” feature Dick exploring one of his favorite themes: the shifting nature of reality and whether it is even possible to perceive the world as it truly exists. And “The Hanging Stranger” provides a thrilling, dark political allegory as relevant today as it was when Dick wrote it at the height of the Cold War. Strange, funny, and powerful, the stories in this collection highlight a master at work, encapsulating his boundless imagination and deep understanding of the human condition.
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First published in Weird Tales in the early 1930s, C.L. Moore’s Northwest Smith stories, especially “Shambleau,” were hailed as some of the most imaginative and vivid science fiction stories ever to come out of the golden age of sci-fi. At a time when women were heavily underrepresented in the genre, Moore was among the first to gain critical and popular acclaim, and decades later was inducted into the Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame.

Northwest Smith, now recognized by many as the archetypal space smuggler and gunslinger, is an adventurer in the classic sense of the word, and these thirteen stories chronicle the bizarre dangers, interstellar wonders, and titillating romances that captured the imagination of a generation.
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