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Old 01-06-2012, 09:42 AM   #5176
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:47 AM   #5177
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Maths question:
Express the square root of 2 as a fraction. Or show why it can't be done.

Non-maths question:
Where (according to the Bible) did Mary and Joseph go when they left Bethlehem after Jesus had been born?

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Old 01-06-2012, 09:47 AM   #5178
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Yes! But I've given a non-maths question too!
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:08 AM   #5179
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Maths question:
Express the square root of 2 as a fraction. Or show why it can't be done.

Non-maths question:
Where (according to the Bible) did Mary and Joseph go when they left Bethlehem after Jesus had been born?
First question, can't be done as the square root of 2 is irrational.

Suppose sqrt(2) rational? then exist natural numbers (l/m)^2 = 2;
with any common divisor between l and m removed. then l^2 = 2xm^2. so l^2 is even. All natural numbers with even squares are even as well. So l = 2xp for some natural number p. meaning l^2 = 4xp^2 = 2xm^2. this means 2xp^2 = m^2; So m^2 is also even, and so m is. But this means l and m still have a common divisor.


Second question I would be cheating after seeing the P&R forum this morning.

Oh I did not get question 2 so someone else is up no matter what!

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Old 01-06-2012, 11:32 AM   #5180
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I believe the author of Matthew says they went to Egypt, but Luke's author posits a different local, as I recall.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:54 AM   #5181
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Just returned from checking. I was right, although I didn't mention the destination mentioned by Luke. Is that close enough for a win?

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Matthew 2:14-15 (NRS): Then Joseph got up, took the child and his mother by night, and went to Egypt, and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet, "Out of Egypt I have called my son."
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Luke 2:39 (NRS): When they had finished everything required by the law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee, to their own town of Nazareth.
I leave to the reader's judgment whether the verse to which the author of Matthew alludes is a messianic prophecy or not.

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Hosea 11:1 (TNK): I fell in love with Israel When he was still a child; And I have called him My son Ever since Egypt.
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Hosea 11:1 (KJV) When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

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Old 01-06-2012, 12:20 PM   #5182
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First question, can't be done as the square root of 2 is irrational.

Suppose sqrt(2) rational? then exist natural numbers (l/m)^2 = 2;
with any common divisor between l and m removed. then l^2 = 2xm^2. so l^2 is even. All natural numbers with even squares are even as well. So l = 2xp for some natural number p. meaning l^2 = 4xp^2 = 2xm^2. this means 2xp^2 = m^2; So m^2 is also even, and so m is. But this means l and m still have a common divisor.
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Just returned from checking. I was right, although I didn't mention the destination mentioned by Luke. Is that close enough for a win?

Well done Hamlet53 and WT Sharpe. Take it away, one of you.

(Although you didn't read Luke quite closely enough. The passage you quote describes them returning to Nazareth from Jerusalem, which is where they went from Bethlehem in Luke's story.)
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:11 PM   #5183
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When I have time, I'll show how to express the square root of 2 as a fraction.
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Old 01-06-2012, 04:52 PM   #5185
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The following is a continued fraction--



and the square root of 2 written as a continued fraction is--



A continued fraction can be written in a more readable format where a0, a1, a2, a3... are written as follows [a0; a1, a2, a3, ...] so the square root of 2 written as a continued fraction is [1; 2, 2, 2, …]
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The invention of frequency-hopping spread-spectrum, originally intended as a practically jam-proof directional control mechanism for torpedoes, is fundamental to modern spread-spectrum communication technology such as modern wi-fi networks.

One person came up with the idea, another helped develop it, and together they patented it.

Whose idea was it?

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The invention of Frequency-hopping spread-spectrum, originally intended as a practicall jam-proof directional control mechanism for torpedoes, is fundamental to modern spread-spectrum communication technology such as modern Wi-Fi networks.

One person came up with the idea, another helped develop it, and together they patented it.

Whose idea was it?
Lauren Bacall? (No, wrong.)
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:16 PM   #5188
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You're in the right ballpark, but that's incorrect.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:20 PM   #5189
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I believe that Paul was close, but it was Hedy Lamarr if I recall correctly.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:24 PM   #5190
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Yes, it was the Hollywood film star Hedy Lamarr, whose hobby was inventing. She got the idea from an early radio remote control that used a telephone-type dial to switch between frequencies.

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