Polymer Vision Readius - first photo from 3GSM - Page 3

Cthulhu · 02-16-2007, 01:27 PM

For my two cents, I think that a stylus is utterly useless unless someone can write a program that will transfer my script *as is* into a PDF/RTF file with my own script, or be smart enough to transfer it into 12 point Times Roman.

I am so glad that my Treo does not use graffiti, though it took some adjustment. The only purpose of the stylus these days is to perform a soft reset. Otherwise, a fingernail works ever so much better.

This may not be germane, but I would consider the two biggest and bestest advancements in electrophoretic displays is the ability to include colour globules, and a touchscreen.

Does anyone know if there are attempts to bring colour to the market, and if touchscreen is possible at all?

While I'm off the subject anyway, how does OLED compare to E-ink for power consumption?

jæd · 02-16-2007, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

For my two cents, I think that a stylus is utterly useless unless someone can write a program that will transfer my script *as is* into a PDF/RTF file with my own script, or be smart enough to transfer it into 12 point Times Roman.

See mergescribbles.php ...

NatCh · 02-16-2007, 01:41 PM

They're working on color e-ink, I believe there are some color cholesteric LCDs sort of in production .... There are some discussions of them buried around MR, if you want more detail.

I saw somewhere (a couple of years ago) data on what adding a touch screen to e-ink would do to its viewable angle, which suggests that a touch screen can be added to e-ink. I think some of the ChLCD stuff has touch screens, but again, I can't point to details off the top of my head.

For OLEDs, I think their power draw will be higher than e-ink (since they can't turn off between page changes

), but they're s'posed to be much lower power drawing than any other non-bistable type of display, as I recall.

Cthulhu · 02-16-2007, 02:13 PM

Natch:

Thanks for the lead. It seems like a pretty nifty technology.

I do not understand how this differs that much from e-ink, but then I am not so tech-savvy. I saw a post about a colur screen that was two years old, with a projected time-line of two to three years for commercial release. A colour screen on the SONY Reader or IRex Illiad would indeed be an astounding device!

Personally, I am hoping that OLED television comes out soon, if for no other reason than that it will drive down the price of the LCD I desire. ;-

NatCh · 02-16-2007, 03:06 PM

OLED TV would be nice, I'm presently hoping SED TVs will finally come out (they've been scheduled to do so pretty much every quarter for the past 3 years). But I've just seen that there's some sort of lawsuit that's come up recently that may slow it down further. grrrr.

Cthulhu · 02-16-2007, 04:51 PM

Natch:

After you mentioned SED in another post, I looked them up, and indeed, there is a lawsuit afoot. I believe that this hiccup has presented the OLED producers with a possible window of opportunity. So far, both technologies are mostly conceptual only, but one or the other looks like it will be the next big thing.

I had a friend who couldn't wait for SED and so purchased an LED LCD.

Back to the point, are we not owed a more in-depth review of the Readius?

NatCh · 02-16-2007, 05:27 PM

Well, 'owed' might be a bit strong, seeing as this is volunteer work on the part of a friend of one of our fellow MobileReaders (sorry, I'm drawing a complete blank as to who that was), but I, for one, would very much love to see something more in-depth. If Polymer Vision is looking for a MobileRead reviewer, I could probably be talked into volunteering -- along with most of the rest of the forum, I'm sure!

erwin · 02-16-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatCh

(...) If Polymer Vision is looking for a MobileRead reviewer, I could probably be talked into volunteering (...)

Me too! Me too!!!

AND I'm in Italy, so I'm a better (or at least nearer...) candidate!

In the mean time I found a 2005 article on the Readius prototype, with some more photos:

http://www.ifa-show.com/2005/philips..._e-reader.html

Cheers
Erwin

erwin · 02-16-2007, 11:31 PM

And here is another rollable display example that, if I'm right, no one mentioned till now: the HAC Flexible Display from the "Red Planet" movie.

http://designbivouac.typepad.com/des...anet_hac_.html

Cthulhu · 02-17-2007, 12:11 PM

Pitchfork was meant to give a more in-depth review.

Natch, I meant to put my little dingle next to my last post, to represent my tonuge firmly planted in my cheek.

Pitchfork · 02-18-2007, 12:36 PM

Sorry guys,

Met up with my friend here in Malaga friday, and it turns out that not seeing each other for over 5 years requires the ingestion of serious amounts of alcohol to fix

He has gone back to Denmark now and we have arranged to go over the details of the device over messenger instead of trying to put something together with a hangover.

alex_d · 02-26-2007, 10:46 PM

I'll bet anything that color e-ink will look pretty bland (like from an old ink jet printer).

Worst part, it'll have 1/3 the resolution (and won't have ClearType).

Also, anyone thinking it'll play video (e.g. "better than video ipod") is in for a big disappointment. High refresh rates and eInk are almost mutually exclusive. The looser the ink particles, the faster they'll refresh, but the sooner they'll decay and the display will no longer be bistable. In fact, I'm already upset by how quickly the Sony Reader display decays. And, again, you'll have bad color.

The most use a color eInk display will have is in giving you a colorful UI. If you want to look at photos or watch videos, buy a PSP (not a video ipod). If you want to read, buy eInk. If you want both... I don't think any display technology on the present horizon promises do both well (ie high-resolution + excellent color reproduction/contrast + high refresh rate + reflection-based + ability to emit light too).

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02-16-2007, 01:27 PM	#31
Cthulhu Technologist Posts: 488 Karma: 585237 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I'm between Cities Device: SONY Reader PRS-500	For my two cents, I think that a stylus is utterly useless unless someone can write a program that will transfer my script as is into a PDF/RTF file with my own script, or be smart enough to transfer it into 12 point Times Roman. I am so glad that my Treo does not use graffiti, though it took some adjustment. The only purpose of the stylus these days is to perform a soft reset. Otherwise, a fingernail works ever so much better. This may not be germane, but I would consider the two biggest and bestest advancements in electrophoretic displays is the ability to include colour globules, and a touchscreen. Does anyone know if there are attempts to bring colour to the market, and if touchscreen is possible at all? While I'm off the subject anyway, how does OLED compare to E-ink for power consumption?

02-16-2007, 01:41 PM	#33
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	They're working on color e-ink, I believe there are some color cholesteric LCDs sort of in production .... There are some discussions of them buried around MR, if you want more detail. I saw somewhere (a couple of years ago) data on what adding a touch screen to e-ink would do to its viewable angle, which suggests that a touch screen can be added to e-ink. I think some of the ChLCD stuff has touch screens, but again, I can't point to details off the top of my head. For OLEDs, I think their power draw will be higher than e-ink (since they can't turn off between page changes ), but they're s'posed to be much lower power drawing than any other non-bistable type of display, as I recall.

02-16-2007, 02:13 PM	#34
Cthulhu Technologist Posts: 488 Karma: 585237 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I'm between Cities Device: SONY Reader PRS-500	Natch: Thanks for the lead. It seems like a pretty nifty technology. I do not understand how this differs that much from e-ink, but then I am not so tech-savvy. I saw a post about a colur screen that was two years old, with a projected time-line of two to three years for commercial release. A colour screen on the SONY Reader or IRex Illiad would indeed be an astounding device! Personally, I am hoping that OLED television comes out soon, if for no other reason than that it will drive down the price of the LCD I desire. ;-

02-16-2007, 03:06 PM	#35
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	OLED TV would be nice, I'm presently hoping SED TVs will finally come out (they've been scheduled to do so pretty much every quarter for the past 3 years). But I've just seen that there's some sort of lawsuit that's come up recently that may slow it down further. grrrr.

02-16-2007, 04:51 PM	#36
Cthulhu Technologist Posts: 488 Karma: 585237 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I'm between Cities Device: SONY Reader PRS-500	Natch: After you mentioned SED in another post, I looked them up, and indeed, there is a lawsuit afoot. I believe that this hiccup has presented the OLED producers with a possible window of opportunity. So far, both technologies are mostly conceptual only, but one or the other looks like it will be the next big thing. I had a friend who couldn't wait for SED and so purchased an LED LCD. Back to the point, are we not owed a more in-depth review of the Readius?

02-16-2007, 05:27 PM	#37
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Well, 'owed' might be a bit strong, seeing as this is volunteer work on the part of a friend of one of our fellow MobileReaders (sorry, I'm drawing a complete blank as to who that was), but I, for one, would very much love to see something more in-depth. If Polymer Vision is looking for a MobileRead reviewer, I could probably be talked into volunteering -- along with most of the rest of the forum, I'm sure!

02-16-2007, 11:31 PM	#39
erwin Newton Zaelot Posts: 39 Karma: 60 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Trieste, Italy Device: Toshiba G900, Newton	And here is another rollable display example that, if I'm right, no one mentioned till now: the HAC Flexible Display from the "Red Planet" movie. http://designbivouac.typepad.com/des...anet_hac_.html

02-17-2007, 12:11 PM	#40
Cthulhu Technologist Posts: 488 Karma: 585237 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I'm between Cities Device: SONY Reader PRS-500	Pitchfork was meant to give a more in-depth review. Natch, I meant to put my little dingle next to my last post, to represent my tonuge firmly planted in my cheek.

02-18-2007, 12:36 PM	#41
Pitchfork Connoisseur Posts: 98 Karma: 31 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Spain Device: Iliad/Ipaq 6340	Sorry guys, Met up with my friend here in Malaga friday, and it turns out that not seeing each other for over 5 years requires the ingestion of serious amounts of alcohol to fix He has gone back to Denmark now and we have arranged to go over the details of the device over messenger instead of trying to put something together with a hangover.

02-26-2007, 10:46 PM	#42
alex_d Addict Posts: 303 Karma: 187 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: Sony Reader	I'll bet anything that color e-ink will look pretty bland (like from an old ink jet printer). Worst part, it'll have 1/3 the resolution (and won't have ClearType). Also, anyone thinking it'll play video (e.g. "better than video ipod") is in for a big disappointment. High refresh rates and eInk are almost mutually exclusive. The looser the ink particles, the faster they'll refresh, but the sooner they'll decay and the display will no longer be bistable. In fact, I'm already upset by how quickly the Sony Reader display decays. And, again, you'll have bad color. The most use a color eInk display will have is in giving you a colorful UI. If you want to look at photos or watch videos, buy a PSP (not a video ipod). If you want to read, buy eInk. If you want both... I don't think any display technology on the present horizon promises do both well (ie high-resolution + excellent color reproduction/contrast + high refresh rate + reflection-based + ability to emit light too).

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