eWeek: Kindle & Nook To Dominate - Page 3

SensualPoet · 08-03-2010, 06:17 PM

Sure, installed base is important.

But most people keep their smartphones for two years or less so what happens in 1/8th of that time can have a huge impact on the near future. Windows, Palm, Symbian (Linux? really? on a smartphone?) are on death's door ... Symbian having the best chance with its Ovi App Store of a graceful landing. Android will surpass Apple in installed base in 2010 or early 2011 and pass RIM shortly thereafter.

Android has come out of nowhere in the past 18 months (less?) and will be the dominate smartphone OS for the foreseeable future.

GA Russell · 08-03-2010, 06:59 PM

How do I know what OS my phone uses?

JSWolf · 08-03-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by carld

Cool-er is deader than a doornail, same with iRex, and the Skiff reader from Hearst as well. I don't think we've seen the end of the great e-reader die off just yet either. In-fact I think it's just getting started.

We have seen the great reader never will be though. Look at all those devices announced at CES that are not out and never will be.

SensualPoet · 08-03-2010, 10:13 PM

I've only had the privilege of going to CES once -- the year HD DVD got clobbered, literally, on the eve of the show when Sony did a nearly $1 billion deal behind the scenes with Warner, among others. By an extraordinary fluke, I spent an evening with the Microsoft execs who had been blind-sided by Sony's last-minute tactics. How appropriate such a huge corporate gamble was played out at Las Vegas!

CES is an amazing event: you get to see all kinds of tech stuff just released, almost released, and in prototype (or less) and pick the brains of the presenters and attendees with so much riding on the right conversation with the right person. I really feel for our friends here online at Mobileread from Astak, as example. The right deal: glory. The wrong deal, or no deal: catastrophe. And everything spun completely out of proportion by the press.

And so it was with e-readers, based on what one could glean from afar, this past January at CES and the important other trade shows like Cebit in Hannover and Computex in Taipei. So many irons in the fire ... and the looming presence of iPad ready for late April release. I am willing to bet that dampened many deals, not least of which were those surrounding Microsoft Windows 7 tablets that got skunked by fear of Apple.

The thing is, we now know what iPad is and air is returning to the market and suddenly we have a new e-ink Pearl screen exclusive to one vendor; a mess of Android tablets ready to flood the market in the fall; the closure of a half dozen e-reader wannabees and a dozen more that never launched. Anyone who blinked, who said "let's wait and see", will be shown to have lost.

At this point, the big electronic dealers like Best Buy have signed their deals for now through the end of 2010. Those buyers know what's coming and there isn't room for someone new to arrive with "the next best thing". The factories are engaged and starting to churn out the goods that will be in-store for Sep and Oct. This is another reason Amazon's announcement of the Kindle 3 -- pretty much at the last possible moment from a manufacturing point of view relative to 2010 Q4 sales -- has been so strategic. Like great comedy, timing is everything. If we get to the end of August, without a definitive counter-strike by B&N, Sony, Kobo or others, the only alternative they have will be simply to drop the price. Or get out of the way.

kjk · 08-03-2010, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA Russell

How do I know what OS my phone uses?

Post what phone it is, and someone will tell you!

GA Russell · 08-04-2010, 03:11 PM

My phone is a Kyocera Jax.

On the back it says "Qualcomm 3G COMA".

Anybody have an idea?

kjk · 08-04-2010, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA Russell

My phone is a Kyocera Jax.

On the back it says "Qualcomm 3G COMA".

Anybody have an idea?

CDMA feature phone, not counted in the Smartphone category. Uses a proprietary OS.

Kyocera is starting to make Android phones though!

GA Russell · 08-04-2010, 04:32 PM

Thanks kjk!

JSWolf · 08-15-2010, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensualPoet

suddenly we have a new e-ink Pearl screen exclusive to one vendor

Sony also has the Pearl screen. Just no devices yet released.

SensualPoet · 08-15-2010, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Sony also has the Pearl screen. Just no devices yet released.

Well, ok, Pearl screens -- and I don't think its a deal breaker so much as a nice to have -- are only available for the Kindle DX Graphite and, in a couple of weeks, both models of Kindle 3. So, "exclusive" for a time at least.

No other vendor has actually announced them, have they? Is there a Sony announcement or ship date for the rumoured 350 and 650 models?

JSWolf · 08-16-2010, 11:56 AM

Well, either teleread or engadget posted that they were invited to an announcement by Sony at the end of the month. So I think it's the new readers.

EricDP · 08-16-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SensualPoet

(Linux? really? on a smartphone?)

Um, Android is Linux...

JSWolf · 08-25-2010, 09:14 PM

I do not think the nook will dominate if Sony comes out with something good at a low enough price point. I also think if Sony does thing properly, they will also put a dent in Kobo sales.

kikar · 08-26-2010, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I do not think the nook will dominate if Sony comes out with something good at a low enough price point. I also think if Sony does thing properly, they will also put a dent in Kobo sales.

I agree. If the rumors are true about a wi-fi and/or 3G 650 and a touch pocket edition with better contrast. Then they could recover some lost market share.

I love my Kindle 2 but it is a lumbering ugly beast next to my Sony readers. But I love Amazon and I love the selection of books and ease of purchasing for the Kindle. I may very well end up getting a K3. Even though I have only bought about 20 books for the kindle and the other 367 are freebies. Where as for my Sony I have purchased 278 books not counting freebies. The point of this rant is to say that when my 505 busted on me I had an eyeopening moment of clarity. I could buy any epub device and still read my books and I can buy books from other vendors. I looked at the Kobo and the Libre but ended up with a Touch edition. If my Kindle dies I need to buy another Kindle in order to read my books on an e-ink device. (Backlight reading strains my eyes). For me I will always buy books from Sony, Borders, Kobobooks, or Booksonboard before I purchase them from Amazon. The only books I buy from Amazon are the ones not available from the others. I just feel more secure in my purchase that way.
If Sony can match Amazon in the ease of purchase category, and pump some marketing dollars into the Sony reader, or even give one to Oprah as a retirement gift so she can tell the O-bots how cool it is then they can regain shares lost to Amazon.
If Sony plays it right then I think 2011 will put them second behind Amazon, then B&N and then Borders. I don't count Apple as the iPad is an over sized iPod and not a dedicated reader, they can sell 3 million but that doesn't mean everyone is reading on them.

JSWolf · 08-26-2010, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikar

I agree. If the rumors are true about a wi-fi and/or 3G 650 and a touch pocket edition with better contrast. Then they could recover some lost market share.

I love my Kindle 2 but it is a lumbering ugly beast next to my Sony readers. But I love Amazon and I love the selection of books and ease of purchasing for the Kindle. I may very well end up getting a K3. Even though I have only bought about 20 books for the kindle and the other 367 are freebies. Where as for my Sony I have purchased 278 books not counting freebies. The point of this rant is to say that when my 505 busted on me I had an eyeopening moment of clarity. I could buy any epub device and still read my books and I can buy books from other vendors. I looked at the Kobo and the Libre but ended up with a Touch edition. If my Kindle dies I need to buy another Kindle in order to read my books on an e-ink device. (Backlight reading strains my eyes). For me I will always buy books from Sony, Borders, Kobobooks, or Booksonboard before I purchase them from Amazon. The only books I buy from Amazon are the ones not available from the others. I just feel more secure in my purchase that way.
If Sony can match Amazon in the ease of purchase category, and pump some marketing dollars into the Sony reader, or even give one to Oprah as a retirement gift so she can tell the O-bots how cool it is then they can regain shares lost to Amazon.
If Sony plays it right then I think 2011 will put them second behind Amazon, then B&N and then Borders. I don't count Apple as the iPad is an over sized iPod and not a dedicated reader, they can sell 3 million but that doesn't mean everyone is reading on them.

I think if Sony updates ADE, has no touch layer, uses Pearl, has wifi/3G, the 650 could be better then the K3. Year reasoning of being able to take the ePub you bought and being able to use them on a different device is a very valid point. And with a Kindle, the DRM locks you into Amazon. so if you wanted to get say a Pocketbook, Sony, nook, or Kobo, you'd not be able to take your Kindle eBooks with you. But remember, if you do not want vendor lock in, do not buy eBooks from B&N.

08-03-2010, 10:13 PM	#34
SensualPoet Wizard Posts: 2,302 Karma: 2607151 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto Device: Kobo Aura HD, Kindle Paperwhite, Asus ZenPad 3, Kobo Glo	I've only had the privilege of going to CES once -- the year HD DVD got clobbered, literally, on the eve of the show when Sony did a nearly $1 billion deal behind the scenes with Warner, among others. By an extraordinary fluke, I spent an evening with the Microsoft execs who had been blind-sided by Sony's last-minute tactics. How appropriate such a huge corporate gamble was played out at Las Vegas! CES is an amazing event: you get to see all kinds of tech stuff just released, almost released, and in prototype (or less) and pick the brains of the presenters and attendees with so much riding on the right conversation with the right person. I really feel for our friends here online at Mobileread from Astak, as example. The right deal: glory. The wrong deal, or no deal: catastrophe. And everything spun completely out of proportion by the press. And so it was with e-readers, based on what one could glean from afar, this past January at CES and the important other trade shows like Cebit in Hannover and Computex in Taipei. So many irons in the fire ... and the looming presence of iPad ready for late April release. I am willing to bet that dampened many deals, not least of which were those surrounding Microsoft Windows 7 tablets that got skunked by fear of Apple. The thing is, we now know what iPad is and air is returning to the market and suddenly we have a new e-ink Pearl screen exclusive to one vendor; a mess of Android tablets ready to flood the market in the fall; the closure of a half dozen e-reader wannabees and a dozen more that never launched. Anyone who blinked, who said "let's wait and see", will be shown to have lost. At this point, the big electronic dealers like Best Buy have signed their deals for now through the end of 2010. Those buyers know what's coming and there isn't room for someone new to arrive with "the next best thing". The factories are engaged and starting to churn out the goods that will be in-store for Sep and Oct. This is another reason Amazon's announcement of the Kindle 3 -- pretty much at the last possible moment from a manufacturing point of view relative to 2010 Q4 sales -- has been so strategic. Like great comedy, timing is everything. If we get to the end of August, without a definitive counter-strike by B&N, Sony, Kobo or others, the only alternative they have will be simply to drop the price. Or get out of the way. Last edited by SensualPoet; 08-03-2010 at 10:25 PM. Reason: tidied up language

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08-03-2010, 06:17 PM	#31
SensualPoet Wizard Posts: 2,302 Karma: 2607151 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto Device: Kobo Aura HD, Kindle Paperwhite, Asus ZenPad 3, Kobo Glo	Sure, installed base is important. But most people keep their smartphones for two years or less so what happens in 1/8th of that time can have a huge impact on the near future. Windows, Palm, Symbian (Linux? really? on a smartphone?) are on death's door ... Symbian having the best chance with its Ovi App Store of a graceful landing. Android will surpass Apple in installed base in 2010 or early 2011 and pass RIM shortly thereafter. Android has come out of nowhere in the past 18 months (less?) and will be the dominate smartphone OS for the foreseeable future.

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GA Russell Stampeders are hot! Posts: 7,692 Karma: 31487351 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	How do I know what OS my phone uses?

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GA Russell Stampeders are hot! Posts: 7,692 Karma: 31487351 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	My phone is a Kyocera Jax. On the back it says "Qualcomm 3G COMA". Anybody have an idea?

08-04-2010, 04:32 PM	#38
GA Russell Stampeders are hot! Posts: 7,692 Karma: 31487351 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	Thanks kjk!

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08-25-2010, 09:14 PM	#43
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,745 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I do not think the nook will dominate if Sony comes out with something good at a low enough price point. I also think if Sony does thing properly, they will also put a dent in Kobo sales.

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