New Kindle App 2.1 Out - Page 3

Maggie Leung · 06-13-2010, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

Or they can have the app access an internet dictionary, assuming the device is online.

Yes, that's what Stanza does. Nice to have a dictionary, but can't go offline to save battery life.

This is more than most readers will want, but I would love the ability to link to a dictionary (or dictionaries!) of my choice and a translator of my choice, for passages that are sometimes in foreign languages.

stustaff · 06-13-2010, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Maggie Leung

Yes, that's what Stanza does. Nice to have a dictionary, but can't go offline to save battery life.

This is more than most readers will want, but I would love the ability to link to a dictionary (or dictionaries!) of my choice and a translator of my choice, for passages that are sometimes in foreign languages.

I used the ibook dictionary for the first time yesterday and was rather suprised that my texan character Sookie Stackhouse walked out of her door onto the driveway and got into a small armed ship usually used to escort larger warships... thats right a corvette!

Maggie Leung · 06-14-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by stustaff

I used the ibook dictionary for the first time yesterday and was rather suprised that my texan character Sookie Stackhouse walked out of her door onto the driveway and got into a small armed ship usually used to escort larger warships... thats right a corvette!

Well, they say don't mess with Texas.

leebase · 06-14-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by scottjl

what this means is that if another ereader wants to implement this, they have to develop the software code themselves, license a dictionary for use

Is this something that should cause us concern? Companies that want to add a desired feature have to actually CODE that feature themselves? We should fault apple for this?

Amazon, B&N, and many other readers have all been accepted on the iPad -- why should they have any worries about spending the time adding dictionaries to their products?

Lee

leebase · 06-14-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scottjl

personally i try not to purchase from amazon for fear of being locked into their platform .mobi books. i'd much rather purchase an .epub document.

This would make sense if there were anyone else selling DRM free books. But I can't see the difference in buying a DRM'd epub and buying a DRM'd .mobi file.

Amazon at least has done the best job so far of creating readers for the most platforms.

Lee

scottjl · 06-14-2010, 11:30 AM

because in theory, an Adept protected epub is readable by multiple vendors, where as amazon is the only one who supports their .mobi format. now i have no real fear of amazon going under tomorrow and taking .mobi with them, but my .epubs are readable by a few different pieces of software and hardware vendors.

leebase · 06-14-2010, 02:39 PM

epub and Adept are not synonymous. Amazon has done a MUCH better job of supporting platforms than Adobe has.

Lee

Rique · 06-14-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scottjl

because in theory, an Adept protected epub is readable by multiple vendors, where as amazon is the only one who supports their .mobi format. now i have no real fear of amazon going under tomorrow and taking .mobi with them, but my .epubs are readable by a few different pieces of software and hardware vendors.

Hi Scott,

So if I wanted to, for example, move my Sony purchased, ADE protected ePubs to clients other than Sony's clients, I could? Which other platforms (hardware and/or software) could I move those to - without scrubbing the DRM first?

Certainly for Amazon, one must scrub, then convert files before moving them to other platforms, but that process is similar to Sony files (except no conversion needed after the "scrubbing" with the Sony files) - and fairly easy as well.

-- Rique

Crowl · 06-14-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rique

So if I wanted to, for example, move my Sony purchased, ADE protected ePubs to clients other than Sony's clients, I could? Which other platforms (hardware and/or software) could I move those to - without scrubbing the DRM first?

Except for the ipad, pretty much any other ebook reader that supports epub will read those files.

scottjl · 06-14-2010, 03:33 PM

well in theory you should be able to move any ADE protected documents to any device/application that can read ADE files. i have read of people downloading sony .epub files and loading them up into txtr on the iphone. i haven't tried this myself. perhaps someone else can chime in. but since ADE is ADE is ADE, there shouldn't be any reason not to, unless the vendor has included some additional DRM.

point is, one would expect a Adept protected .epub file from one vendor would be equal to the same .epub file from another vendor and that both files would be usable on any device with software supporting Adept protected .epub files. actual practice may vary, sadly.

Rique · 06-14-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowl

Except for the ipad, pretty much any other ebook reader that supports epub will read those files.

Hi Crowl,

I was referring to eBook clients (meaning, reader clients - e.g., applications) - I was not referring to hardware.

So when I asked the question: "So if I wanted to, for example, move my Sony purchased, ADE protected ePubs to clients other than Sony's clients, I could? Which other platforms (hardware and/or software) could I move those to - without scrubbing the DRM first?" - I meant moving those ADE protected Epubs to other apps - and definitely meant with the iPad. Sorry if that wasn't too clear.

EDIT: Sorry, I just realized that I did refer to hardware as well as software ... thanks, Crowl!

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Originally Posted by scottjl

well in theory you should be able to move any ADE protected documents to any device/application that can read ADE files. i have read of people downloading sony .epub files and loading them up into txtr on the iphone. i haven't tried this myself. perhaps someone else can chime in. but since ADE is ADE is ADE, there shouldn't be any reason not to, unless the vendor has included some additional DRM.

point is, one would expect a Adept protected .epub file from one vendor would be equal to the same .epub file from another vendor and that both files would be usable on any device with software supporting Adept protected .epub files. actual practice may vary, sadly.

Scott,

But therein lies the rub... it is not simply the format support (or lack of same) which is in question. It is the portability. Does Kobo accept side-loading of ADE ePubs? Does B&N's app? I have also heard that txtr does (have not tried it), I know that Stanza does and I know that Apple does not.

So my conclusion is that ADE infected ePub is not universally accepted by all clients and that, even if readable by many clients, is not easily ported to those clients. Am I mistaken?

Thanks,
-- Rique

leebase · 06-14-2010, 04:48 PM

Who are these "multiple vendors" and what is their marketshare for ADE? I don't think they mount to a hill of beans next to the number of devices and marketshare of Amazon.

Lee

scottjl · 06-14-2010, 05:26 PM

sony.. barnes and noble.. kobo.. all use ADE protection. there are plenty of other hardware and software vendors as well.

.mobi is only used by amazon. and apple's fair-play protection is only used by them.

leebase · 06-14-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scottjl

sony.. barnes and noble.. kobo.. all use ADE protection. there are plenty of other hardware and software vendors as well.

.mobi is only used by amazon. and apple's fair-play protection is only used by them.

And what's the combined market share?

Lee

scottjl · 06-14-2010, 06:27 PM

less than amazon's. yes. but put it this way. if sony stops makign ereaders, i can take my documents (without stripping them) to the nook or load them on my iphone in txtr. if i decide to ditch my kindle. i'm stuck. pretty much vendor lock-in with amazon. now, amazon has been great about getting their app out on every platform they can. but what if their war heats up with apple and they decide to discontinue the apple version?

ok. put it this way. amazon has a single platform (kindle) but a huge market share including their hardware devices and the app available on multiple platforms.

ADE is available across multiple hardware and software platforms from multiple vendors.

i'd say the second has a far better safety net than the first.

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06-14-2010, 11:30 AM	#36
scottjl Reader of Books Posts: 1,632 Karma: 2697 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: none	because in theory, an Adept protected epub is readable by multiple vendors, where as amazon is the only one who supports their .mobi format. now i have no real fear of amazon going under tomorrow and taking .mobi with them, but my .epubs are readable by a few different pieces of software and hardware vendors.

06-14-2010, 02:39 PM	#37
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,960 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	epub and Adept are not synonymous. Amazon has done a MUCH better job of supporting platforms than Adobe has. Lee

06-14-2010, 03:33 PM	#40
scottjl Reader of Books Posts: 1,632 Karma: 2697 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: none	well in theory you should be able to move any ADE protected documents to any device/application that can read ADE files. i have read of people downloading sony .epub files and loading them up into txtr on the iphone. i haven't tried this myself. perhaps someone else can chime in. but since ADE is ADE is ADE, there shouldn't be any reason not to, unless the vendor has included some additional DRM. point is, one would expect a Adept protected .epub file from one vendor would be equal to the same .epub file from another vendor and that both files would be usable on any device with software supporting Adept protected .epub files. actual practice may vary, sadly.

06-14-2010, 04:48 PM	#42
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,960 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	Who are these "multiple vendors" and what is their marketshare for ADE? I don't think they mount to a hill of beans next to the number of devices and marketshare of Amazon. Lee

06-14-2010, 05:26 PM	#43
scottjl Reader of Books Posts: 1,632 Karma: 2697 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: none	sony.. barnes and noble.. kobo.. all use ADE protection. there are plenty of other hardware and software vendors as well. .mobi is only used by amazon. and apple's fair-play protection is only used by them.

06-14-2010, 06:27 PM	#45
scottjl Reader of Books Posts: 1,632 Karma: 2697 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: none	less than amazon's. yes. but put it this way. if sony stops makign ereaders, i can take my documents (without stripping them) to the nook or load them on my iphone in txtr. if i decide to ditch my kindle. i'm stuck. pretty much vendor lock-in with amazon. now, amazon has been great about getting their app out on every platform they can. but what if their war heats up with apple and they decide to discontinue the apple version? ok. put it this way. amazon has a single platform (kindle) but a huge market share including their hardware devices and the app available on multiple platforms. ADE is available across multiple hardware and software platforms from multiple vendors. i'd say the second has a far better safety net than the first.

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