LRF no longer "supported" by Calibre

[DoctorOhh]

Originally Posted by rmm200

I keep reading that LRF right justifies and EBub does not. Isn't this a function of the renderer, which is not part of either book format? Don't both formats use the same renderer, or does LRF not use CSS at all?

Epub does support full justification. The implementation of epub on most Sony readers (PRS-900 the exception) is limited to Left justification for all Epubs. Where on all Sony readers lrf defaults to full justification.

When I was still using lrf I actually used a hack to default all my lrf files to left justification (personal preference).

[ShellShock]

Originally Posted by dwanthny

When I was still using lrf I actually used a hack to default all my lrf files to left justification (personal preference).

Can you remember how to do that? I was not aware that LRF has left justification at all--it seems it always does full justification. For example, if I use "center" alignment for titles, and the title goes over more than one line, then it will be fully justified, which is not good.

[DoctorOhh]

Originally Posted by ShellShock

Can you remember how to do that? I was not aware that LRF has left justification at all--it seems it always does full justification. For example, if I use "center" alignment for titles, and the title goes over more than one line, then it will be fully justified, which is not good.

It is one of the many options you can choose using PRScustomizer.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by theducks

EPUB has a Right justify.
I use Calibre to turn it off because I find the (padded) spacing really annoying at the font size I am using. I don't mind the jagged right margins.

Yes. Agree completely. I was just reading an epub book on my Sony 900 last night and it was fully justified and so annoying that I put the 900 away and began reading in on my 505 that did not fully justify it.

[ShellShock]

Originally Posted by dwanthny

It is one of the many options you can choose using PRScustomizer.

Thanks! I didn't know that!

Pity there is not an "epubJustification" attribute too!

[ShellShock]

Originally Posted by DrMoze

I just encountered a bug when converting a .lit file, where extra spacing was added before the last line of each paragraph (and between paragraphs, it seems). Got a quick reply to my ticket, with a "wontfix" status, saying that lrf output is "deprecated." (?) Which I take to mean no longer supported with respect to bugs.

Saw another recent lrf problem reported here, with the suggestion to use ePub output instead.

Do you get the same problem if you convert the lit to epub? If so, then perhaps the problem is not specific to LRF and can be addressed as an epub change?

However, I have noticed a lot of variability in how lit/lrfs specify formatting--sometimes they use styles, sometimes it is inline with the tag etc. This makes fully automating the conversion rather difficult, as there are so many different potential cases to handle. Although I have some programs I have written to automate some of the reformatting for LRFs, I still normally have to manually edit the output to get it how I like it.

A typical example: some books apply a different style to the first paragraph of a chapter, which when it is converted to LRF results in a blank line between it and the following paragraph. A lot of other books don't do this. At the moment I treat this as a special case that requires a manual edit. The problem you describe seems similar.

[junkml]

Originally Posted by Pablo

The problem lies not in the ePub format itself but in its implementation in Sony Readers (though I believe the PRS-900 support justified ePub).
Nobody knows if Sony will release a firmware update to support justification in ePub files, my guess is that they will not.

I didn't realize it was Sony's implementation. That's interesting (and disappointing). The lack of full justification is the reason I can't just use the books from Sony directly on my 500 - I can't stand not having full justification.

[pepak]

Originally Posted by deltop

I can see why they do due to the shortcommings of the adobe software, especially on the Sony devices. But isn't it going to be a huge hassle to go back and re-convert everything once your reader finally dies or you want to buy a new one?

It will mean ONE command to convert all books at once, and ONE copy operation to get them all on the reader. That's why I am going to stick with LRF until my reader gets a good support of EPUB, and possibly even then because I just don't expect some annoying things to change.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by Madam Broshkina

When I am reading an ebook I want the best reading experiences I can get. Right now for me on the Sony it is LRF files.

Same here.

[neilmarr]

The only thing that bugs me about Calibre is that the version I downloaded six months ago works so darned perfectly for me (mille thanks to Kovid and members here who recommended his excellent programme) that I'm scared to update. Here's more Karma to ya. Hoots. Neil

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by neilmarr

The only thing that bugs me about Calibre is that the version I downloaded six months ago works so darned perfectly for me (mille thanks to Kovid and members here who recommended his excellent programme) that I'm scared to update. Here's more Karma to ya. Hoots. Neil

Ah, come on Neil, go for it!

[kovidgoyal]

Originally Posted by neilmarr

The only thing that bugs me about Calibre is that the version I downloaded six months ago works so darned perfectly for me (mille thanks to Kovid and members here who recommended his excellent programme) that I'm scared to update. Here's more Karma to ya. Hoots. Neil

If it works perfectly for you, dont upgrade. Keep an eye on the list of new features and only if something compelling to you comes along, upgrade.

[pars_andy]

The older versions do a much better job of lrf conversion so if that's important, i probably wouldn't upgrade.

[ShellShock]

Originally Posted by pars_andy

The older versions do a much better job of lrf conversion so if that's important, i probably wouldn't upgrade.

Really? I can't say I have noticed any significant differences, and I have been using Calibre for over a year. I'm interested in what the older versions do better for lrf conversions.

[Dave Berk]

Originally Posted by ShellShock

Really? I can't say I have noticed any significant differences, and I have been using Calibre for over a year. I'm interested in what the older versions do better for lrf conversions.

I think he means the pre 0.6 versions. That's when Kovid changed the lrf engine (not sure).