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Nathan Campos · 12-31-2009, 02:28 PM

This is very interesting...

also, congratulations for your Kindle.

frostcyborg · 12-31-2009, 05:01 PM

Thanks. I love it so far. I setup Calibre, port forwarded port 80 to my desktop at home, setup dynamic DNS, and I can browse my e-book database on the go wirelessly and download anything I want to read. That's worth the price of admission right there!

Krystian Galaj · 12-31-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jj2me

You're depending on the corporation's business model for losses to derive your personal morality?

No, I depend on the fact that it's not a sentient mind, and doesn't have feelings.

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Originally Posted by jj2me

Actually, I do the polar opposite of your "different treatment, depending" morality model that you're suggesting. I know I'm flawed, so I always try to apply the same morality to impersonal organizations as I do with personal friends and family. Just as practice. Stepping over the line in any one occasion... dangerous. I'm human, and the risk is that bad behavior with impersonal beings might bleed over into my personal relationships. Boy, I've lost a lot of silly money, but my morality muscle is more highly toned than it would be otherwise.

I was in this same situation with an extra HP Tablet PC, worth about $1,000 at the time. I returned it.

Fine for you, I guess. I'm not sure how far your morality extends though - do you apologize to chairs when you sit on them?

jj2me · 12-31-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Krystian Galaj

No, I depend on the fact that it's not a sentient mind, and doesn't have feelings.

Fine for you, I guess. I'm not sure how far your morality extends though - do you apologize to chairs when you sit on them?

Yes, you're right, fine for me. I don't expect anyone else to do as I do.

The second sentence, though, sounds like you're seeing this all from your sentient-vs.-non-sentient perspective, and in a one-dimensional way.

I thought it would be understood that the ethics of this thread has to do with greed. In your example, you give two outcomes:

receive extra Kindles for the price of one: do nothing and take the extra Kindles. Lucky, you say. You'd do nothing.
receive extra Kindles and lawyers who demand payment for all of them. Unlucky, you say. Would you also do nothing and just pay? If so, you've displayed no greed. You'd lose sometimes, you'd win other times.

On the other hand, if in case 2 you'd fight back, then these are two-factor ethics, depending on both A) the sentience of who you're dealing with, and B) whether the outcome is favorable to you. That would be convenient ethics. Conveniently in your favor. No sentient being would let you get away with keeping the Kindles, they'd punish you (ostracism, telling your friends what you've done, calling police, charging theft). Corporations won't really punish you. So everything is set up in your favor, you take what's not due you whenever you can't really get caught. I don't really mean you, but that's what comes out of the one-dimensional sentient-vs-insentient model you seem to be describing.

I saw your post and reacted to the suspiciously convenient ethics. It's about greed, not sentience, so your chairs analogy indicated that you missed the point entirely. I'm not saying anything about you, personally. You might be the better person out of the two of us. (After all, I feel the need to practice not being greedy.)

markbot · 01-01-2010, 11:00 AM

Maybe this is all a scientific experiment on morality in business transactions.

frostcyborg · 01-11-2010, 04:54 AM

All Kindles are now returned. I did end up getting a 20$ Amazon giftcard out of it which isn't as nice as keeping one of the Kindles, but at least it's something and I don't feel dirty LOL

WT Sharpe · 01-11-2010, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by frostcyborg

Also, guess what just arrived today at work. A FOURTH KINDLE. I am NOT kidding... this is getting beyond funny and ridiculous. I wish I was making this up.

Ironically I wrote a email to Executive Customer Service expressing my frustration that the least they could do is have UPS come pick them up, so a nice ECS rep replied back and did that very thing. The UPS guy picked them up yesterday, and now I have ANOTHER one.

At this point, I'd call Amazon and tell them in no uncertain terms that you plan to keep any future Kindles they send.

kennyc · 01-11-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by frostcyborg

All Kindles are now returned. I did end up getting a 20$ Amazon giftcard out of it which isn't as nice as keeping one of the Kindles, but at least it's something and I don't feel dirty LOL

Good for you!

Over · 01-11-2010, 07:54 AM

Nice decision, although I wouldn't frown at you if you placed them in this forum's Flea Market for 50$ a piece.

Daithi · 01-12-2010, 12:59 PM

Now watch Amazon's automated system classify him as an "undesirable" customer for returning 3 Kindles within a week.

kennyc · 01-12-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

Now watch Amazon's automated system classify him as an "undesirable" customer for returning 3 Kindles within a week.

Probably close his account. But only after removing all the books from the kindle he kept.

frostcyborg · 01-12-2010, 02:22 PM

Oh I would raise all kinds of hell for that right there!

fugazied · 01-12-2010, 04:23 PM

In terms of morality and ethics, Amazon do things all of the time which we may not consider moral or ethical. When they take back a book you have paid for, how is that ethical. When they crush small bookshops through pricing is that ethical? They continue to foister DRM upon people, is that ethical, removing rights users used to have on paper books (the ability to lend) in the name of profit?

So imo the chair analogy isn't that far off. I'd treat a corporation as being half way between a chair and a person. The only ethical dilemma is a conflict with my personal ethic of only taking what I pay for. I feel no obligation to treat a corporation as a person though (since corporations don't treat us as people usually, just faceless consumers with the money they want).

Patricia · 01-12-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

At this point, I'd call Amazon and tell them in no uncertain terms that you plan to keep any future Kindles they send.

And has a fifth one turned up yet?

emonti8384 · 01-12-2010, 07:50 PM

I'm looking to buy one recently, how funny. Well, if you get a fifth one my email address is....

01-11-2010, 04:54 AM	#36
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frostcyborg Member Posts: 11 Karma: 250 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rio Vista, CA Device: Kindle, iPhone	Thanks. I love it so far. I setup Calibre, port forwarded port 80 to my desktop at home, setup dynamic DNS, and I can browse my e-book database on the go wirelessly and download anything I want to read. That's worth the price of admission right there!

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markbot Guru Posts: 612 Karma: 7511929 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New York, NY Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite 2	Maybe this is all a scientific experiment on morality in business transactions.

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frostcyborg Member Posts: 11 Karma: 250 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rio Vista, CA Device: Kindle, iPhone	Oh I would raise all kinds of hell for that right there!

01-12-2010, 04:23 PM	#43
fugazied Wizard Posts: 1,305 Karma: 1958 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: iPod Touch	In terms of morality and ethics, Amazon do things all of the time which we may not consider moral or ethical. When they take back a book you have paid for, how is that ethical. When they crush small bookshops through pricing is that ethical? They continue to foister DRM upon people, is that ethical, removing rights users used to have on paper books (the ability to lend) in the name of profit? So imo the chair analogy isn't that far off. I'd treat a corporation as being half way between a chair and a person. The only ethical dilemma is a conflict with my personal ethic of only taking what I pay for. I feel no obligation to treat a corporation as a person though (since corporations don't treat us as people usually, just faceless consumers with the money they want).

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