Classic Nook Accounts Devices and Books

[Propheous]

Originally Posted by jasonkchapman

Either I misread Kolenka's post or you did. As I read it, the server Kolenka referred to was the content server from which the book was downloaded. That's the point at which the file is keyed. I didn't see a reference to any further contact with a server.

No I think you guys are missing my point actually. I don't have to use the device as the crutch or the account as the crutch. Each book is its own entity. Unlike the kindles DRM. So while you can read the books on the kindle that have been linked to that device you can only read them on that device and do nothing more with them.

So to recap:

The kindle does not need to reconnect to the content server once a book is loaded onto the device.

The nook doesn't even need the device once you have the file.

[Propheous]

Originally Posted by vermontcathy

You are wrong. The kindle is not tethered to an account and you can sever the connection at any time. You do not understand how the kindle works. Once I buy a book from Amazon and download the UNIQUE book file that will only work on my kindle (based on an internal PIN number), I can deregister my kindle from that account and never use it again. I could buy every book using a different account if I want. No further communication/connection with Amazon is ever needed, under any circumstances, for that book to work on that kindle.

In fact, if I want to sell my kindle, I can deregister it from my account, but LEAVE ALL THE BOOKS ON IT for the person who buys it.

Again, I never claimed you could not. I said that the kindle is tethered to an account. This is true. You can apparently untether the device if you desire. Which I NEVER said you couldn't. In fact I CLEARLY stated you might be able to but I was unaware if you could.

Now as for the rest of your post I never claimed you couldn't keep reading on the device. Though this is news to me and good news. I claimed there was a SUBTLE but important difference with the nook. We have all been working to understand what that is.

The devices themselves work similar. Though with out the knoweldge of how you can untether the device I can't comment on that. Also with out the knowledge of how Amazon handles your books once its untethered I can't comment on that other then to say you can read them on the device you untethered.

I can however comment on the fact that you can unregister register your nook to accounts on the device from anywhere you get service. I can also comment that I can take the DS Card out of one nook put it in mine and with the password for the files immediately start reading with out any problems.

I can also state that you can change the DRM password to your pdb book files by changing the credit card associated to your account.

I hope that clears up any flamy problems we might have had. As stated by another user, this is something that is a difference in how its handled. Some people won't care, but some will. The bottomline its good to try to get to the bottom of how the devices work.

If someone can clearly state to me exactly how the untethering and tethering works for the kindle I would be more then happy to wrap my brain around it.

[vermontcathy]

Originally Posted by Propheous

If someone can clearly state to me exactly how the untethering and tethering works for the kindle I would be more then happy to wrap my brain around it.

Here's how it works. I turn on my kindle, go to settings, click on "deregister". That's it. The books I have on my kindle stay there, nothing is deleted from my kindle, the books still work. You can not buy any books from the kindle until you re-register it (same as with nook). If you had bought books from Amazon, but they weren't actually on your kindle (just in your "archives" on the Amazon website), you can't access them, since you are now "untethered" as you say, from the account. But the books are still there on the Amazon website, in your account/archive, so if you re-register, you could get to those books again.

As an example, some people share an account with their mother, but don't want their mother to see the slutty books they read. So the person has two accounts - one that they share with their mother, and one that they use to purchase the slutty stuff. They can register the kindle to their slutty account, buy and download slutty books, then deregister (slutty books stay on the kindle) and re-register to their regular account (or just stay unregistered). That way when their mom looks at the archive (books purchased on that account and available to the mom's kindle), the slutty books aren't there.

Another example. Some parents also don't want their kid (who has their own kindle) to be able to buy books on the kindle, or see slutty or otherwise age-inappropriate books that the parent might have bought. So the parent registers the kid's kindle to the account, downloads appropriate books to the kid's kindle, and then deregisters it.

Final example. Let's say I have an acquaintance who also has a kindle and I want to give them a book I've bought. But I don't trust them enough with my 1-click payment method to have them share my Amazon kindle account (or maybe they like having their own account or whatever). I can give anyone with a kindle any book I've purchased. All I have to do is enter their kindle's serial number on my "Manage your kindle" webpage to register it to my account, send the books to their kindle, and then deregister it. I don't have to give them any account info - no password, no credit card number, nothing. That book file will always work on their kindle.

So my point is that unregistering a kindle and/or registering it to a different account has benefits. On a nook, deregistering requires you to enter a credit card number for each book the next time you try to open it. It also deletes things like notes and bookmarks (as I read in the nook manual) and deletes some other preferences and settings. It is not a simple thing.

Deregistering and registering are things I might want to do NOW. Worrying about what will happen if Amazon ceases to exist AND my kindle breaks is something that would happen far in the future. I prefer convenience now rather than worrying about later (esp. since it's already possible to remove the DRM on kindle books. I wouldn't do this now, but if Amazon can no longer provide me with book files for a new device, I'd do it).

[vermontcathy]

Originally Posted by Propheous

I can also state that you can change the DRM password to your pdb book files by changing the credit card associated to your account.

Perhaps this is possible, but if so, why didn't they mention that simpler solution in the manual? Here's what B&N says:

"To open the content on the unregistered nook, you will need to enter your first name, last name, and default credit card one time. If you purchased the content with different default credit cards, you will need to enter each credit card one time. For example, if you bought 10 eBooks last year with a credit card ending in 1111, and another 10 eBooks this year with a credit card ending in 2222, then when you open one of the eBooks from last year, you will need to supply the credit card ending in 1111, and when you open one of the eBooks from this year, you will need to enter the credit card ending in 2222. After that, you can open all of the eBooks."

THAT is what sounds like a pain in the freakin' butt to me.

[kjk]

Originally Posted by vermontcathy

Perhaps this is possible, but if so, why didn't they mention that simpler solution in the manual? Here's what B&N says:

"To open the content on the unregistered nook, you will need to enter your first name, last name, and default credit card one time. If you purchased the content with different default credit cards, you will need to enter each credit card one time. For example, if you bought 10 eBooks last year with a credit card ending in 1111, and another 10 eBooks this year with a credit card ending in 2222, then when you open one of the eBooks from last year, you will need to supply the credit card ending in 1111, and when you open one of the eBooks from this year, you will need to enter the credit card ending in 2222. After that, you can open all of the eBooks."

THAT is what sounds like a pain in the freakin' butt to me.

That sounds logical but..yeah, a pain in the freakin' butt. But then again, DRM isn't there to make my life easier

[jxh11215]

This is an interesting conversation. I have been hesitating on the nook for a few reasons, but on is the cc/account/drm stuff. I have already run into an issue with a stolen/replaced cc where my number was changed. I also no longer have cc today that I may have had years ago and really don't recall the numbers. This DRM scheme may come to bite users in the behind a few years from now.
I really think that DRM should be tied to a person, which is what the cc is attempting to do in an overly complicated way. Email/password might be a better option. Publishers need to wake up to the fact that there are people who will never pay for an ebook and those that always will go the legal route, same with music.
In any case, I pretty much trust Amazon to keep going and I've gone thru all the Kindle hardware iterations so far with no issues. Kindle 1, 2, DX, iPhones and PC. It will be interesting to look back on these conversations 4 or 5 years from now

[jasonkchapman]

Originally Posted by jxh11215

I really think that DRM should be tied to a person, which is what the cc is attempting to do in an overly complicated way. Email/password might be a better option.

I agree. Or an e-mail/password method of resetting an existing library to make lost/stolen CC recovery easier. It would be similar to the master password on the various "password keeper" functions on browsers and devices. Having the master at least lets you get in to overwrite the stored password.

[Propheous]

Awesome on the Kindle tethering/registering information. I am glad to hear that, and it makes alot of sense in regards to your example.

As for DRM

The manual states exactly what you need to do to open a file on your device. It doesn't cover anything about changing the password to the file. This is because this is *NOT* a function of the device.

Mind you a foot note would be nice, but if your all ready dealing with a file it is assumed you don't want to download it again.

Personally I don't think there is any issue with remembering what CC you had as compared to the e-mail you had. With ability to change the passwords, download all your books and back them up on any media storage device, and have them all with the same password.

[PETStech]

Note that registration of the Nook isn't required, but can only be done via AT&T wireless or via WiFi inside a B&N store. This will be an issue for international buyers.

I realize the above is from a 2009 post, but for clarification now:
1. Really! Can't I register/unregister a Nook via an internet connection?
I do not have an ATT wireless account, and live 95 miles from the nearest B&N store, so would be an issue for many of us 'rural' or 'remote' folks.
2. What about purchasing books via the internet and using the Nook apps on a Windows PC and two Apple iPod Touch devices to read them? It appears my email address and password are used to associate the PC and iPod apps with my purchased books.

3. BTW, so far I've tried sharing Kindle books using its PC and iPod apps. I'm able to read on the PCs and iPods. But how do I clean on the errant (non-functional) devices in the "Download to:" list? Somehow I've wound up with six "Download to:" PC devices (only two work) and three iPod devices (I've only two of those, too).

[rdfry]

Originally Posted by PETStech

I realize the above is from a 2009 post, but for clarification now:
1. Really! Can't I register/unregister a Nook via an internet connection?
I do not have an ATT wireless account, and live 95 miles from the nearest B&N store, so would be an issue for many of us 'rural' or 'remote' folks.
2. What about purchasing books via the internet and using the Nook apps on a Windows PC and two Apple iPod Touch devices to read them? It appears my email address and password are used to associate the PC and iPod apps with my purchased books.

3. BTW, so far I've tried sharing Kindle books using its PC and iPod apps. I'm able to read on the PCs and iPods. But how do I clean on the errant (non-functional) devices in the "Download to:" list? Somehow I've wound up with six "Download to:" PC devices (only two work) and three iPod devices (I've only two of those, too).

!. yes
2. yes, enter your credit card number used to purchase.
3. my guess would be you have to unregister the unwanted devices.

[Kymmmm]

Just for clarification, I was able to register my Nook Color and Nook Touch from Australia with no problems.

[Ajax]

Originally Posted by PETStech

3. BTW, so far I've tried sharing Kindle books using its PC and iPod apps. I'm able to read on the PCs and iPods. But how do I clean on the errant (non-functional) devices in the "Download to:" list? Somehow I've wound up with six "Download to:" PC devices (only two work) and three iPod devices (I've only two of those, too).

Not sure if you still need the help, but here goes.

To deregister extra unneeded devices go to "Your Account" at Amazon, then "Manage Your Kindle", on the left hand side of the screen under the heading Your Kindle Account select "Manage Your Devices", Under the Registered Kindle Reading Apps heading select deregister for the ones you no longer wish to have show up.