Barnes and Noble confirms COLOR e-book reader for Spring 2010 [INCORRECT] - Page 3

HarryT · 10-09-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

When you say "eInk" are you being generic or do you specifically mean that they are using the same patented technology which they are licensing from eInk?

BOb

They are licensing technology from eInk. It says so somewhere on PL's web site.

pilotbob · 10-09-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

They are licensing technology from eInk. It says so somewhere on PL's web site.

Ah thanks. My google search...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

...confirms this.

BOb

badbob001 · 10-09-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

When you say "eInk" are you being generic or do you specifically mean that they are using the same patented technology which they are licensing from eInk?

As far as I know, e-ink is a trademark of the e-ink corporation... like xerox, band-aid, etc, so I'm not using it in a generic sense.

If you go on the e-ink website, they will mention e-ink imaging film or vizplex imaging film. It sounds like e-ink just provides the e-ink film for manufactures to layer onto their display circuitry and not provide complete displays.

Gideon · 10-09-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The-eBook-Reader

Personally, I don't trust Plastic Logic for anything. We've been hearing about their stupid device for years now; who knows if they're ever going to release it. And more importantly, they have no track record whatsoever of selling products and dealing with customer service and support.

Spring of next year and they don't have a demo unit to show?

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

And it would be cool to get a copy of the Five Gospels for it...

sforce · 10-09-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by badbob001

As far as I know, e-ink is a trademark of the e-ink corporation... like xerox, band-aid, etc, so I'm not using it in a generic sense.

If you go on the e-ink website, they will mention e-ink imaging film or vizplex imaging film. It sounds like e-ink just provides the e-ink film for manufactures to layer onto their display circuitry and not provide complete displays.

I wonder what Plastic Logic brings to the mix, as to color, and if others will be able to use their technology? In other words, I wonder if the color aspect for the Plastic Logic device Plastic Logic's or e-Ink's?

If e-Ink's then will will see competing devices from, well, everyone very soon. If Plastic Logic's alone, then they might have a year's head-start.

iMaculate · 10-09-2009, 12:21 PM

Hmm, color sounds nice, but most of the current books I'm reading don't have any color, except for cover. Color is certainly interesting for books on art, photography or architecture, but they are usually large format and not suitable for an e-book reader.

So what's the point?

jswinden · 10-09-2009, 12:21 PM

I think this, and almost every darn thead I've read on any new eBook (generic term here) reader, misses the point by a 1000 miles. Who cares which device can out perform the others, or which device has more bells and whistles. New devices should be seen in the proper context:

They have a closed OS that prevents you from installing your favorite applications (unless you hack)
They offer the book sellers application, a few generic formats, and that is it
You need a separate device to read content from each major book seller: Kindle to read Amazon books, Sony Reader to read Sony books, B&N reader to read B&N books

I know several of you self-proclaimed geniuses will say, but you can use Calibre to do this, or convert that, et cetera. Pish posh! The average user of an electronic book reading device does NOT have the knowledge or capability or desire to hack her/his way into reading what they want to read. And my point is they shouldn't have to!

If they want me to get exited about a new book reader, then they will have to use an OS that is opened to allow me to install whatever reader applications I choose, and they will have to make a deal with the all the major book sellers to allow their books to be viewed on that device. It is stupid to have a library full of eBook reading devices with each tied to a specific company. Separate the device hardware from the control of the book distributers are eBooks are doomed to failure!

The decade+ old and proven model used by Palm and WM powered PDAs, and to a much lesser extent Apple's limited iPhone/touch, is the hands down BEST model to follow:

Build a highly useable hardware platform.
Put an OS on that plaform which developers will gladly develop software for, preferably a well established and non-web-based OS.
Allow the owners of the device to install whatever applications they choose. Do NOT use the Apple model that tells you which applications you can install, and darn sure do NOT use the current reader device model that does not allow you to install applications at all.
Ensure that all the major book distributers/publishers make their books available to the device, even if that means you have to pay a REASONABLE software fee to install their reader application.

In other words, build a giant (5+ inch) screen PDA/tablet device that runs an established OS (with reader applications already available for it, though they would have to be tweaked for the device) and make it have long battery life. Do NOT try to make this device a do everything device, focus on eBooks (generic term). If developers want to extend its uses, as they did with the early Palm PDAs, then great, but make it efficient for reading eBooks.

sforce · 10-09-2009, 12:27 PM

Jack, you've seen this, right?

Rumor: Barnes & Noble's eReader Will Run Android

http://gizmodo.com/5377516/rumor-bar...ll-run-android

pilotbob · 10-09-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

The decade+ old and proven model used by Palm and WM powered PDAs, and to a much lesser extent Apple's limited iPhone/touch, is the hands down BEST model to follow:

I always shake my head when someone talks about how they want an OPEN device and then point to Apple as the model to follow.

Do you realize that Apple only allows you to sync your iPod with iTunes. You can only get iPod apps from the iTunes store. You must have an iTunes store account. Even as an iPhone / iPod developer you must pay the developer fee to even put an iPod/iPhone app on your own device for testing. Don't get me started on OS X which the refuse to allow anyone to run unless they have bought Apple hardware.

Hey, I like my iMac and my kids love their iPods. First thing one of my Sons did was jailbreak it so he could access the storage and put apps that weren't "approve by Apple" on his iPod Touch.

If you want to look at a company that is OPEN take a look at MS.

Now... all that rant aside, I disagree with you. The problem with dedicated eBook devices is NOT that you can't run any software you want on them... it is that they publishers and content "providers" use arcane and useless DRM and proprietary formats that tie your hands. (No I don't want to get into a DRM discussion.)

If you look at the way computers evolved you see the same thing. Each type of computer you bought was an island. you could only run the OS and software from the vendor you bought the machine from. Eventually that will happen with readers. But the ONLY way this will happen is if more and more readers are developed and released and used by people.

So yes EVERY new ebook reader device that comes out is one step closer to your nirvana. It will happen.

BOb

pilotbob · 10-09-2009, 12:35 PM

Apparently Cool-er are talking about color also..

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58868

BOb

Format C: · 10-09-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

iRex announced a colour device quite a while ago. What is it about this device that makes it more "game changing" than the iRex one, do you feel?

Promotion.

Look at the example: the "La Stampa" newspaper is downloadable on the iLiad since last year.
Now, it's been announced the same download (from the USA) on the not yet available Kindle. Guess what? In the mainstream news, they said than "now, thanks to Amazon, epapers are available in Italy, the first being La stampa and the Corriere della Sera".
Nobody seems to know nothing about iRex and Calibre's recipes.

thechansen · 10-09-2009, 01:34 PM

Thisiswhathappenswhenyougivepeoplecolor.
Seriously, it's not needed, and magazine format is largely made redundant by websites, most importantly blogs with daily content. Shades of gray or smarter graphics for polls and charts are much easier to implement.

AnemicOak · 10-09-2009, 01:38 PM

I wonder if a color reader would give regular B&W fiction reading better contrast. Bet it would.

ahi · 10-09-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thechansen

Thisiswhathappenswhenyougivepeoplecolor.
Seriously, it's not needed, and magazine format is largely made redundant by websites, most importantly blogs with daily content. Shades of gray or smarter graphics for polls and charts are much easier to implement.

Ok... so eBooks don't need pages, typography, and now colour... do they even need letters/characters? Maybe it would be more relaxing to just stare blankly at a ... blank page, and imagine the possibilities!

- Ahi

thechansen · 10-09-2009, 01:44 PM

That's the purpose of epub and ADE. You have a generic format and encryption method that any reader could adopt. Much like the Sony Reader, so yes it does have DRM, but you are not locked into just purchasing books from the Sony Store. And if B&N had any sense, they would try to make their books compatible with as many ereaders as possible. That is what really is hurting the ebook market. Zune has its own DRM and iPod has it's own, but heres the thing, DRM free stuff is an open standard (well not open but universal) of .mp3 or .m4a usable on damn near player. I forget the widespread DRM that various manufacturers implemented (San Disks, Irivers, and Samsungs all used it) but that is really what we need and what Adobe made.

10-09-2009, 12:21 PM	#37
jswinden Nameless Being	You guys are missing the point... I think this, and almost every darn thead I've read on any new eBook (generic term here) reader, misses the point by a 1000 miles. Who cares which device can out perform the others, or which device has more bells and whistles. New devices should be seen in the proper context: They have a closed OS that prevents you from installing your favorite applications (unless you hack) They offer the book sellers application, a few generic formats, and that is it You need a separate device to read content from each major book seller: Kindle to read Amazon books, Sony Reader to read Sony books, B&N reader to read B&N books I know several of you self-proclaimed geniuses will say, but you can use Calibre to do this, or convert that, et cetera. Pish posh! The average user of an electronic book reading device does NOT have the knowledge or capability or desire to hack her/his way into reading what they want to read. And my point is they shouldn't have to! If they want me to get exited about a new book reader, then they will have to use an OS that is opened to allow me to install whatever reader applications I choose, and they will have to make a deal with the all the major book sellers to allow their books to be viewed on that device. It is stupid to have a library full of eBook reading devices with each tied to a specific company. Separate the device hardware from the control of the book distributers are eBooks are doomed to failure! The decade+ old and proven model used by Palm and WM powered PDAs, and to a much lesser extent Apple's limited iPhone/touch, is the hands down BEST model to follow: Build a highly useable hardware platform. Put an OS on that plaform which developers will gladly develop software for, preferably a well established and non-web-based OS. Allow the owners of the device to install whatever applications they choose. Do NOT use the Apple model that tells you which applications you can install, and darn sure do NOT use the current reader device model that does not allow you to install applications at all. Ensure that all the major book distributers/publishers make their books available to the device, even if that means you have to pay a REASONABLE software fee to install their reader application. In other words, build a giant (5+ inch) screen PDA/tablet device that runs an established OS (with reader applications already available for it, though they would have to be tweaked for the device) and make it have long battery life. Do NOT try to make this device a do everything device, focus on eBooks (generic term). If developers want to extend its uses, as they did with the early Palm PDAs, then great, but make it efficient for reading eBooks. Last edited by jswinden; 10-09-2009 at 12:27 PM.

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10-09-2009, 12:21 PM	#36
iMaculate Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindle	Hmm, color sounds nice, but most of the current books I'm reading don't have any color, except for cover. Color is certainly interesting for books on art, photography or architecture, but they are usually large format and not suitable for an e-book reader. So what's the point?

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sforce Connoisseur Posts: 81 Karma: 184 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: Plastic Logic (?)	Jack, you've seen this, right? Rumor: Barnes & Noble's eReader Will Run Android http://gizmodo.com/5377516/rumor-bar...ll-run-android

10-09-2009, 12:35 PM	#40
pilotbob Grand Sorcerer Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch	Apparently Cool-er are talking about color also.. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58868 BOb

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thechansen Member Posts: 17 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: Sony Reader PRS-505	Thisiswhathappenswhenyougivepeoplecolor. Seriously, it's not needed, and magazine format is largely made redundant by websites, most importantly blogs with daily content. Shades of gray or smarter graphics for polls and charts are much easier to implement.

10-09-2009, 01:38 PM	#43
AnemicOak Bookaholic Posts: 14,391 Karma: 54969924 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Minnesota Device: iPad Mini 4, AuraHD, iPhone XR +	I wonder if a color reader would give regular B&W fiction reading better contrast. Bet it would.

10-09-2009, 01:44 PM	#45
thechansen Member Posts: 17 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: Sony Reader PRS-505	That's the purpose of epub and ADE. You have a generic format and encryption method that any reader could adopt. Much like the Sony Reader, so yes it does have DRM, but you are not locked into just purchasing books from the Sony Store. And if B&N had any sense, they would try to make their books compatible with as many ereaders as possible. That is what really is hurting the ebook market. Zune has its own DRM and iPod has it's own, but heres the thing, DRM free stuff is an open standard (well not open but universal) of .mp3 or .m4a usable on damn near player. I forget the widespread DRM that various manufacturers implemented (San Disks, Irivers, and Samsungs all used it) but that is really what we need and what Adobe made.

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