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It's one big business taking advantage of the huge gap left by the greediness of another set of big businesses. On the other hand, it will make works available that should have been in the public domain anyway, if it hadn't been for the greedy reaching of the Hollywood set of big businesses in the first place. To me, I can't get mad at anything that Google makes available that was published pre-1954, as under the copyright laws that were in place at the time they were created, they would have fallen in the public domain anyway. After 1954, that's another question.... (When dinosaurs fight, a lot of ground gets plowed for free....) |
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Also, there may be a great deal of opportunities for books currently out of print -- hence Google's interest in this matter. For example, a great deal of recorded music was out of print, and became commercially viable with re-releases in a new format (CD). Quote:
![]() For non-orphaned works, apparently the rights holder(s) get a one-time payment of $60; after that, the Registry gets 63% of the revenues, and distributes an as-yet undetermined percentage to the rights holder (as the Registry will have its own overhead costs). You get no control over usage, Google gets indefinite usage right, and there is no formal structure to negotiate different rates or usages. If I understand the settlement correctly, you can pull your books -- but only before April 5, 2011. According to one blogger, you can even get a better deal via Google Books Partner Program than via the Settlement. Some authors are apparently satisfied with this, others are not. The more serious problem is unless there is a legislative change, the arrangement should be opt-in, not opt-out, with the possible exception of orphaned works; and that Google may be settling its way to a monopolistic advantage. Quote:
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Besides, Google is a corporation and is trying to manipulate and control access to content on its own terms. How is this not another example of "corporate copyright control" ? |
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It's sad how Google lost their "do no evil" motto so long ago...
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That is the sole reason for my condescension, and should not be taken to apply to all writers across the board. - Ahi |
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Google's answer is a bad answer. Only the current situation is a worse one... RSE |
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However, the Settlement option does give Google several potentially unfair advantages, including delays in crafting similar agreements and granting the Author's Guild et al a de facto "gatekeeper" role. I can easily imagine that Amazon tries to set up a similar agreement and add TTS rights, only to be told by the AG to take a flying leap. Quote:
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2) Although life + 70 is fairly long, a truly indefinite term is a clear violation of the US Constitution; and the most recent extensions were reviewed with this in mind. I.e. I seriously doubt another extension to life + 90 would be considered viable, unless life expectancy increases from 70 to 100. 3) Many of the books Google has scanned would not fall into PD any time soon. Lots of the authors are still alive and kicking. 4) The result of Google's actions will not be even remotely equivalent to putting a book into PD. They will just be more widely available in a commercialized context. You still have to pay to access the books, and cannot reproduce or sell one of Google's scanned books without paying for it. |
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Kali, I'm not trolling, just discussing...
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On the one hand, the Google settlement rides roughshod over author's rights, and has some gaping loopholes (like the fact that it doesn't just include *published* authors, but anyone who has a copyright, regardless of registration status... Google could start scanning kids' term papers and selling them to other students). On the other... damn, there's a lot of books out of print, that a lot of people would love to make accessible, except that publishers are sitting on the rights, or the authors (or their heirs) have no idea how to make them available again. I think the Google settlement goes too far. It doesn't just offer terms for authors whose rights they have violated (and I think it does okay in that part--offers basic compensation, and opt-out for those who want to pursue other options); it sets up terms for them to continue to violate the rights of future authors, and existing authors who aren't published in the US. I like their goals--making out-of-print books accessible. I understand that this is likely the only way to get around the MPAA/RIAA stranglehold on copyright. But I don't think this particular solution will fly. I hope that it spotlights the problems enough to start working on one that will. |
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:Bows Deeply to Igorsky: A magnificent and appropriate story... Many people seem to hate Google. I don't understand why. They found a way to do something better that other people had been doing. That gave the a dominance in search. They played the capitalistic game and won honorably, by providing a better service than any of it's competitors. Not by cheating, or stealing, damaging their competitors. This is bad? But to Google's settlement and the story. In the US, it has become tradition to break legislative strangleholds through the courts. We ended our equivalent of apartheid via the courts. Abortion was legalized by the courts. Pornography laws were overturned by the courts. Busing of school children for forced integration was order by the courts. All of these had strong backing against changing these laws, and the courts overrode those constituencies. Google is trying to do the same thing. A run around the current laws, instead of a frontal assault against them, by forcing a "use it or lose it" requirement into copyright (actually it's a lose control of it). They're doing it for profit, of course. How much profit they'll make I don't know. After all, most of the out-of-print works are out-of-print for a reason. How many people are going to buy The Mudhen? Or a 1943 mid-list novel? Will it be enough to pay for the scanning? <shrug> Google is already $125 million in the hole, before getting a dime in revenue. And that's not even including the scanning costs. To my view, the main effect, whether deliberate or accidental, will be to disrupt the "stockpiling" stranglehold on copyrighted works. And that's a good thing, IMHO. Revising copyright would be far better, but that would take a frontal assault (billions and billions of dollars) against entrenched interests. Wiil it work? Who knows? It's at least an attack on the "add another 25 years forever" vested interest.... |
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