Seriousness Views on IE8? - Page 3

pilotbob · 04-15-2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

In XP and Vista, the Windows desktop is built around Internet Explorer. Are you saying that it no longer is in Windows 7?

In Windows 7 IE will be removable component. You can't do that in XP or Vista. I already posted this above.

However, the rendering engine will still be there as many features in windows use it... the desktop and the Explorer window. You are basically only removing the chrome and the start up icons and such. Once again, I am pretty sure this is a concession to the EU's commission's incompetent policies to protect companies rather than the consumer. See the Windows "N" version.

I think Opera is one of the big complainers of IE being shipped with Windows. Although Safari is shipped with Mac and Firefox with Ubuntu but no one complains about that.

BOb

montsnmags · 04-15-2009, 08:20 AM

EDIT: Made redundant by BOb's post.

Cheers,
Marc

HarryT · 04-15-2009, 08:30 AM

Thank you, Bob. Your post confirms my thinking - that although one might remove the IE "application", the actual HTML display control which forms the "core" of IE is so closely integrated with Windows, that it cannot be removed.

(I'm hoping that's the case, anyway, because my own software makes use of that control to render HTML pages, display picture, and much else.)

pilotbob · 04-15-2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

(I'm hoping that's the case, anyway, because my own software makes use of that control to render HTML pages, display picture, and much else.)

You should get the Win7 RC and remove IE to be sure. But, yes the rendering engine and DLLs will still be there. If you are automating the iexplorer.exe app itself though you are going to have to require users to keep it installed.

BOb

phenomshel · 04-17-2009, 04:49 PM

Just a quick note: IE 8 is not compatible with the BlackBoard software used by the online university I attend. I had to retake a quiz due to a glitch where a message box "hid" the submit button. If you are taking online classes, check with your technical support before installing it.

astra · 04-17-2009, 05:00 PM

I installed IE8 yesterday on my PC at work. The system was pretty fresh (s/w wise), less then a month old. IE8 takes about x3 longer to start than latest FF or IE7. It caused a problem to BD. For some inexplicable reason, it would take about 30 seconds to load BD instead of a snap of fingers.
Instead of uninstalling it, I have decided to use System Restore utility that comes with windows XP. After that, IE7 would open up for 1 second and close down of its own. I re-installed IE8, though it might cure the problem...No way.
I had to use restore from Ghost image.

Spec's of my PC at work are:
Dell Optiplex 280GX, Win XP SP3.

You have been warned.

HarryT · 04-18-2009, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astra

I installed IE8 yesterday on my PC at work. The system was pretty fresh (s/w wise), less then a month old. IE8 takes about x3 longer to start than latest FF or IE7. It caused a problem to BD. For some inexplicable reason, it would take about 30 seconds to load BD instead of a snap of fingers.
Instead of uninstalling it, I have decided to use System Restore utility that comes with windows XP. After that, IE7 would open up for 1 second and close down of its own. I re-installed IE8, though it might cure the problem...No way.
I had to use restore from Ghost image.

Spec's of my PC at work are:
Dell Optiplex 280GX, Win XP SP3.

You have been warned.

Strange - I'm also running XP SP3 and IE8 has had no effect at all on BD for me. Given that BD is probably my most-used program, after IE and Outlook Express, it would be very important for me if it had affected it.

Dr. Drib · 04-18-2009, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Thank you, Bob. Your post confirms my thinking - that although one might remove the IE "application", the actual HTML display control which forms the "core" of IE is so closely integrated with Windows, that it cannot be removed.

(I'm hoping that's the case, anyway, because my own software makes use of that control to render HTML pages, display picture, and much else.)

I'm just now catching up on my reading here.

What I mean is what Bob and you are saying: that one can "remove" the application.

Don

astra · 05-22-2009, 06:51 AM

Figured out what was the problem with IE8, BD, etc.
IE8 and Spybot - Search&Destroy issue

Solution: de-immunize all. Remove ticks next to all IE entries, then re-immunize again. It will ignore IE.
If you are using SpywareBlaster too, then after re-immunisztion in Spybot go to SpywareBlaster and enable all protection again.

Why did it affect BD? Simple (I think). It either depends on IE or the last book I edited in BD was in HTML format. Thus starting up BD was causing the same problem as starting up IE8.

Removing immunization in Spybot makes IE8 a vulnerability, but then when IE was not one?

HarryT · 05-22-2009, 07:36 AM

Interesting. Thanks for letting us know the cause.

Jaime_Astorga · 05-22-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you think IE8 is good, just wait till you try Firefox. Boy will you be seriously impressed.

This. Just install a few add ons and your browsing experience will improve dramatically.

astra · 06-01-2009, 10:54 AM

I moved to FF 11 months ago. I believe FF with a few add ons is a much better and comfortanle browser than IE (Ad Block Plus! worth the move, no doubt). However, I like to have a working version of IE on my computer. For example, my wife's college website supports IE only[I know, bad codding but you have to be realistic (c) Ninefingers]...to purchase MS LIT, to update Windows XP.

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04-15-2009, 08:20 AM	#32
montsnmags Grand Sorcerer Posts: 10,155 Karma: 4632658 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: none	EDIT: Made redundant by BOb's post. Cheers, Marc

04-15-2009, 08:30 AM	#33
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Thank you, Bob. Your post confirms my thinking - that although one might remove the IE "application", the actual HTML display control which forms the "core" of IE is so closely integrated with Windows, that it cannot be removed. (I'm hoping that's the case, anyway, because my own software makes use of that control to render HTML pages, display picture, and much else.)

04-17-2009, 04:49 PM	#35
phenomshel ZCD BombShel Posts: 4,793 Karma: 8293322 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The Frozen North (aka Illinois, USA) Device: iPad, STB Kindle Oasis	Just a quick note: IE 8 is not compatible with the BlackBoard software used by the online university I attend. I had to retake a quiz due to a glitch where a message box "hid" the submit button. If you are taking online classes, check with your technical support before installing it.

04-17-2009, 05:00 PM	#36
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	I installed IE8 yesterday on my PC at work. The system was pretty fresh (s/w wise), less then a month old. IE8 takes about x3 longer to start than latest FF or IE7. It caused a problem to BD. For some inexplicable reason, it would take about 30 seconds to load BD instead of a snap of fingers. Instead of uninstalling it, I have decided to use System Restore utility that comes with windows XP. After that, IE7 would open up for 1 second and close down of its own. I re-installed IE8, though it might cure the problem...No way. I had to use restore from Ghost image. Spec's of my PC at work are: Dell Optiplex 280GX, Win XP SP3. You have been warned.

05-22-2009, 06:51 AM	#39
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Figured out what was the problem with IE8, BD, etc. IE8 and Spybot - Search&Destroy issue Solution: de-immunize all. Remove ticks next to all IE entries, then re-immunize again. It will ignore IE. If you are using SpywareBlaster too, then after re-immunisztion in Spybot go to SpywareBlaster and enable all protection again. Why did it affect BD? Simple (I think). It either depends on IE or the last book I edited in BD was in HTML format. Thus starting up BD was causing the same problem as starting up IE8. Removing immunization in Spybot makes IE8 a vulnerability, but then when IE was not one?

05-22-2009, 07:36 AM	#40
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Interesting. Thanks for letting us know the cause.

06-01-2009, 10:54 AM	#42
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	I moved to FF 11 months ago. I believe FF with a few add ons is a much better and comfortanle browser than IE (Ad Block Plus! worth the move, no doubt). However, I like to have a working version of IE on my computer. For example, my wife's college website supports IE only[I know, bad codding but you have to be realistic (c) Ninefingers]...to purchase MS LIT, to update Windows XP.

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