Kindle 3 - this year, with larger screen, touch-enabled (rumor) - Page 3

Alisa · 03-06-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Dream on. Do you really think Amazon is going to support Adobe's DRM or even without DRM. That would be Amazon giving up some of the control they now have. And this won't happen. That's why AZW was invented because using regular DRM Mobipocket is giving up some control. And folders? Why would Amazon want to give you that?

I agree that Amazon will likely not give us Adobe DRM, luckily it's easily removed. As for folders (or tags as many of us would prefer), why wouldn't they?

Penforhire · 03-06-2009, 01:31 PM

Lots of ifs. But... if the screen contrast is at least as good as the K2, and if 8.5x11 PDF display is legible, and if price is around $450, and if a few more formats are natively supported... I'll be a buyer. I know, dream on.

saoir · 03-07-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

See, this is what I thought they should be concentrating on instead of what they came out with. There is such an obvious need for it.

But, no one asked ME!

It feels to me like we are fast approaching the time when the hardware will reach it's fully usable model stage. A 5 or 6 inch screen that will be touch screen, thin and light - reading all kinds of files incl pdf.. After that it's about interface, added features, convergence etc etc etc.
This will mean that the emphasis will be thrown back in a major way on the price of ebooks.

It's going to be an interesting two years or so. imho.

Saoir

kevindorsey · 03-12-2009, 12:33 AM

I'm definitely not buying it until I see what kind of structure it has. It has to be a step above K2, or money stays in my pocket.

snipenekkid · 03-12-2009, 05:02 AM

cripes, the people here spend all day long bantering about everything eink and ereader and can't put two and two together here? This rumored new student kindle corresponds with one of two displays. It is either the pixel qi display or more likely the Plastic Logic display which according to everything I have read is going to be very aggressively priced to make such a device within the reach of your average student. And if Amazon does not jump in feet first they will lose out to a company which is willing. The deals for the text books are already done if the device is due by years end or even early in '10.

The dark horse is the Pixel Qi display because it's pretty energy efficient and it is to be had in color immediately in it's first, well actually 2nd generation.

I mean this is not rocket science, the writing has been on the wall here for over a year.

wallcraft · 03-12-2009, 07:09 PM

I agree about Pixel Qi being an outside possibility, but Plastic Logic seems to be in the device business (not the display business). The most probable screen is the 9.7" from PVI, which is going to end up in multiple devices this summer (PVI: Flexible e-paper by Q2 2009).

snipenekkid · 03-13-2009, 01:38 AM

wellcraft, that is certainly nice news to read. I had not found where PVI was as close as Plastic Logic. Maybe I gleaned the wrong impression from the Plastic Logic demo vids but I thought they specifically mention building a new factor in Germany to make their displays. Or am I confused with PVI in that area?

Yeah, about 1:30 into this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50x8h7fF4DU the guy specifically says they created their own display technology. That is where I was assuming that PL is a display manufacturer. Maybe they are not going to make displays for other companies? Only for their devices? It might make sense or not, hard to decide.

catsittingstill · 03-13-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I'm finishing up my Ph D and will be an assistant professor next year so I was somewhat interested in such a reader.[A4 size, reads pdf natively, retains Kindle's search/highlight/annotate function]

But after more thought, I'm not so interested as I end up highlighting a ton of stuff and writing notes all over PDFs I print out. Couldn't do that with a large A4 reader--maybe if it was something more like a tablet PC.

So for now I'll just keep printing them out and keeping the PDFs on my jump drive etc. so I can pull them up if I need to look at them outside of the office--which I don't do all that often anyway.

Well, it's your choice of course. For me, the Kindle's ability to highlight and annotate would satisfy my need to highlight a ton of stuff and write notes all over my pdfs. And the ability to search all documents for the phrase oh, say "human ribonucleotide reductase" without having to flip through a stack of papers thicker than your average dictionary--well, *that* would really have saved me some time. I suppose I could have kept the pdfs on a jump drive, but then I'd have to read them on a computer screen, and I already stared at the computer so much my eyes wouldn't focus properly anymore.

No, an A4 pdf-capable (don't care about DRM; journals don't use it) Kindle would have been my dream item for that task, and I still want one.

wallcraft · 03-13-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by snipenekkid

I had not found where PVI was as close as Plastic Logic. Maybe I gleaned the wrong impression from the Plastic Logic demo vids but I thought they specifically mention building a new factor in Germany to make their displays.

Both PVI and Plastic Logic is using EInk film for the display, but they are using different screen technologies. The original PVI screens used a glass substrate and the new ones use a plastic substrate (I think, details are sketchy). This allows the increase from 6" to 9.7" with (presumably) acceptable breakage rates, but the screen isn't flexible to the extent of the Plastic Logic screen. With Plastic Logic the screen electronics is also "plastic" which gives a completely flexible display.

So the PVI screen is older technology, and they already have factories. As you say, there have been few videos or other demos, so the actual 9.7" PVI product is obscure (although it has been planned for 2 years, i.e. delayed several times). This is in part because PVI sells screens, not devices (although Netronix is partially owned by PVI), and it is typically devices that get demoed.

markbot · 03-18-2009, 11:57 AM

I will buy the Kindle 3 only if it has a larger screen. i'd like to see it almost an inch wider and maybe an inch longer. then it will feel more like a real book.

dmaul1114 · 03-18-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by catsittingstill

Well, it's your choice of course. For me, the Kindle's ability to highlight and annotate would satisfy my need to highlight a ton of stuff and write notes all over my pdfs. And the ability to search all documents for the phrase oh, say "human ribonucleotide reductase" without having to flip through a stack of papers thicker than your average dictionary--well, *that* would really have saved me some time. I suppose I could have kept the pdfs on a jump drive, but then I'd have to read them on a computer screen, and I already stared at the computer so much my eyes wouldn't focus properly anymore.

No, an A4 pdf-capable (don't care about DRM; journals don't use it) Kindle would have been my dream item for that task, and I still want one.

Yeah, that's just to each their own.

I research in a pretty small niche so I don't have a huge stack of articles and at most 3-5 a year will come out. So I save more time being able to mark up my pdfs quickly (vs. the clunky kindle interface, or trying to write small and legibly on a tablet PC) than I would with searching since I know the literature in my area very well.

And searches I can just do with the PDFs on the PC as you note, I'm at a PC all day anyway so it doesn't bother me.

But I see the appeal for people in fields that have hundreds or thousands of articles on the particular disease or medicine or whatever they're studying. Or for people who just find it easier to annotate stuff on a reader or on the PC vs on a printout. Just not my cup of tea.

kacir · 03-18-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AprilHare

This is completely off-topic however the Kindle girl in the photo is fascinating.
Any other photos?

Go to www.amazon.com
click on Kindle
There is video at "Watch a Video Demonstration of Kindle 2 "
There are high resolution photos during K2 launch in some news release page.
see
http://www.mobileread.mobi/forums/sh...ad.php?t=38174

Daithi · 03-26-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by catsittingstill

A kindle that was big enough to read pdfs (and *could* read pdfs natively) would open up a whole new market--anybody who has to read a lot of journal articles. Grad students working on their dissertations. Post-docs writing papers. I had an entire file box full of printed pdfs of journal articles the last time I wrote a paper--it must have weighed 20 pounds and I had to leave it at work because it was too heavy to carry around with me. The thought of a Kindle I could have put them all on (swoons)...

Once they can read native PDFs it also opens up access to all the books scanned in by Google, and since they are just PDFs these ebooks won't have all the OCR errors found in the Google files being displayed on the Sony.

DaleDe · 03-26-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

Once they can read native PDFs it also opens up access to all the books scanned in by Google, and since they are just PDFs these ebooks won't have all the OCR errors found in the Google files being displayed on the Sony.

The statement is true but misleading. It is not because they are PDF's that they don't have OCR errors but because they are built from images and have not been OCR'd at all. A PDF built from TXT that has been OCR'd will have the same errors as a ePUB file would.

Dale

Daithi · 03-26-2009, 12:22 PM

I was actually referring specifically to the PDFs already available at books.google.com. These PDFs are from scanned images and not built from text files, so these PDFs should all show images as scanned and thus no OCR errors. (Is this better and not misleading?)

From my understanding, the versions shown on the Sony are derived from the scanned image based PDFs (the PDF has OCR software applied to it), and this is why they have the OCR errors.

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03-06-2009, 01:31 PM	#32
Penforhire Wizard Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+	Lots of ifs. But... if the screen contrast is at least as good as the K2, and if 8.5x11 PDF display is legible, and if price is around $450, and if a few more formats are natively supported... I'll be a buyer. I know, dream on.

03-12-2009, 12:33 AM	#34
kevindorsey Evangelist Posts: 488 Karma: 258 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: kindle	I'm definitely not buying it until I see what kind of structure it has. It has to be a step above K2, or money stays in my pocket.

03-12-2009, 05:02 AM	#35
snipenekkid Banned Posts: 760 Karma: 51034 Join Date: Feb 2009	cripes, the people here spend all day long bantering about everything eink and ereader and can't put two and two together here? This rumored new student kindle corresponds with one of two displays. It is either the pixel qi display or more likely the Plastic Logic display which according to everything I have read is going to be very aggressively priced to make such a device within the reach of your average student. And if Amazon does not jump in feet first they will lose out to a company which is willing. The deals for the text books are already done if the device is due by years end or even early in '10. The dark horse is the Pixel Qi display because it's pretty energy efficient and it is to be had in color immediately in it's first, well actually 2nd generation. I mean this is not rocket science, the writing has been on the wall here for over a year.

03-12-2009, 07:09 PM	#36
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,977 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	I agree about Pixel Qi being an outside possibility, but Plastic Logic seems to be in the device business (not the display business). The most probable screen is the 9.7" from PVI, which is going to end up in multiple devices this summer (PVI: Flexible e-paper by Q2 2009).

03-13-2009, 01:38 AM	#37
snipenekkid Banned Posts: 760 Karma: 51034 Join Date: Feb 2009	wellcraft, that is certainly nice news to read. I had not found where PVI was as close as Plastic Logic. Maybe I gleaned the wrong impression from the Plastic Logic demo vids but I thought they specifically mention building a new factor in Germany to make their displays. Or am I confused with PVI in that area? Yeah, about 1:30 into this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50x8h7fF4DU the guy specifically says they created their own display technology. That is where I was assuming that PL is a display manufacturer. Maybe they are not going to make displays for other companies? Only for their devices? It might make sense or not, hard to decide.

03-18-2009, 11:57 AM	#40
markbot Guru Posts: 612 Karma: 7511929 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New York, NY Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite 2	I will buy the Kindle 3 only if it has a larger screen. i'd like to see it almost an inch wider and maybe an inch longer. then it will feel more like a real book.

03-26-2009, 12:22 PM	#45
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	I was actually referring specifically to the PDFs already available at books.google.com. These PDFs are from scanned images and not built from text files, so these PDFs should all show images as scanned and thus no OCR errors. (Is this better and not misleading?) From my understanding, the versions shown on the Sony are derived from the scanned image based PDFs (the PDF has OCR software applied to it), and this is why they have the OCR errors.

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