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Old 01-01-2009, 02:49 PM   #31
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There have been quite a few refuseniks over the years.
huh, apparently the refusals are some sort of state secret over there. funny.
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Old 01-01-2009, 03:44 PM   #32
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huh, apparently the refusals are some sort of state secret over there. funny.
Yep, I think officially the first approach is along the lines of: "if you were to be offered an honour, would you be minded to accept?" - a specific offer is only made once the potential recipient has agreed to accept it.
So, technically, an honour isn't refused - and officialdom's blushes are spared.
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Old 01-01-2009, 03:50 PM   #34
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Yep, I think officially the first approach is along the lines of: "if you were to be offered an honour, would you be minded to accept?" - a specific offer is only made once the potential recipient has agreed to accept it.
So, technically, an honour isn't refused - and officialdom's blushes are spared.
pfff... what a bunch of hot-house flowers...

well, unless they do what john lennon did, and accept it, but then return it 4 years later...
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ha okay. the honours here are pretty prestigious usually, occasionally someone will refuse to recieve it to protest the government or something and it makes a huge fuss. you get a medal and a little coloured ribbon (each award has its own specific colors) to wear on your buttonhole. one of the grades is "Chevalier de la Légion d'Honneur" which translates as "Knight of the Legion of Honor," although we don't have a monarchy in france (though the award was created by Napoléon Bonaparte, so...).
You still have a heriditary aristocracy in France, don't you, Zelda? I've occasionally encountered French people (in books!) with titles like "Comte" and "Duc".
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:15 AM   #37
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You still have a heriditary aristocracy in France, don't you, Zelda? I've occasionally encountered French people (in books!) with titles like "Comte" and "Duc".
well, we still have people descended from Comtes and Ducs (and kings...) and we still have aristocrats (you can spot them by the "de" in their name) but these titles are meaningless now. although there is also a movement (le légitimisme) to bring back the monarchy. but they are a bunch of loonies.
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well, we still have people descended from Comtes and Ducs (and kings...) and we still have aristocrats (you can spot them by the "de" in their name) but these titles are meaningless now.
Does that mean I am an aristocrat?

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Old 01-02-2009, 11:41 AM   #39
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Does that mean I am an aristocrat?

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much like e.e. cummings' poetry and my posts, it has to be a small "de".

(however if that "De" in your pseudo is part of your actual last name and is followed by another word, you might be. well, your ancestors might have been.*)

edit () so in other words, quite possibly, M. de Priest.
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Only if you're the "Duc de Priest" or something similar .
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Only if you're the "Duc de Priest" or something similar .
Well, spellings do change of the years and certainly spacing and capitalization. I have traced my ancestors back to a Huguenot that fled France in the 17th century but unable to go back an further without some resources in France. I do have some ancestors in England as well and that line goes back a little further.

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Well, spellings do change of the years and certainly spacing and capitalization. I have traced my ancestors back to a Huguenot that fled France in the 17th century but unable to go back an further without some resources in France. I do have some ancestors in England as well and that line goes back a little further.

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so actually your question was rhetorical.
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so actually your question was rhetorical.
Really? Were no Huguenots aristocrats? Or descendant from aristocrats?

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