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Old 04-24-2021, 08:05 AM   #31
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I think that is the case, and vice versa.

In theory, that should affect the value in second hand sales.
Yes, adverts or ad-free are connected to serial number, not the user. A new registration has no effect.

For this reason and also Blacklisting, I'd only get a S/H kindle from someone I know, or officially Amazon refurbished.

Actually unless you are broke, a Kobo Libra is better value than Ad free Kindle. If your kindle breaks or you replace it, use that device on your Amazon account and download via PC. Actually even if the Kindle is your only device that's best.
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Old 04-24-2021, 03:06 PM   #32
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Yes, adverts or ad-free are connected to serial number, not the user. A new registration has no effect.

For this reason and also Blacklisting, I'd only get a S/H kindle from someone I know, or officially Amazon refurbished.

Actually unless you are broke, a Kobo Libra is better value than Ad free Kindle. If your kindle breaks or you replace it, use that device on your Amazon account and download via PC. Actually even if the Kindle is your only device that's best.
I just bought a used Kindle on eBay. The seller gave me the serial number and I checked with Amazon support and they told me the device wasn't reported lost/stolen and it's ad-free
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Sometimes I think about picking up a Kindle. After all, I do buy my books from Amazon and the very first Oasis, the Voyage and the latest Paperwhite all look nice enough.

But then I read threads in here from Kindle owners and get brought back to reality.
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Old 04-25-2021, 09:13 AM   #34
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Sometimes I think about picking up a Kindle. After all, I do buy my books from Amazon and the very first Oasis, the Voyage and the latest Paperwhite all look nice enough.

But then I read threads in here from Kindle owners and get brought back to reality.
There is a selection effect: this forum is going to be particularly populated with people with problems!

I know that for me, the Oasis 3 I originally complained about is (with a £4 skin to make its back less cold) the single nicest reading device I have ever owned.

Downsides: only that if Amazon goes bust or stops supporting the Kindle library, it'll perhaps be hard to keep my library when my latest Kindle reader wears out, even on a phone or tablet. But I'm confident that if that happens, the latest antipiracy wossname will be cracked in no time and backing the collection up with Calibre will become trivial. So ebooks should reliably outlast the devices they reside on, as long as I don't mind violating that aspect of copyright law that in the mid-2000s was found to also be violated routinely by at least half the House of Commons, including most of the then Cabinet.
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Old 04-25-2021, 11:15 AM   #35
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The DRM for KF8/Mobi has already been cracked and you can backup your Calibre library in KF8/Mobi.
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Sometimes I think about picking up a Kindle. After all, I do buy my books from Amazon and the very first Oasis, the Voyage and the latest Paperwhite all look nice enough.

But then I read threads in here from Kindle owners and get brought back to reality.
I have had zero problems with sideloaded (from Calibre) books on my Kindles. Most of the issues I've read here have been with directly downloaded books, syncing, cloud collections etc.. None of which I use. As to ads, no idea, as all my Kindles have been ad-free from the start. I see absolutely no point in buying a Kindle with ads and then worry how to get rid of them afterwards. Plus the fact that Amazon doesn't even sell special offer Kindles in my country. Even if it did, I wouldn't buy them.
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Sometimes I think about picking up a Kindle. After all, I do buy my books from Amazon and the very first Oasis, the Voyage and the latest Paperwhite all look nice enough.

But then I read threads in here from Kindle owners and get brought back to reality.
I bought a S/H Paperwhite 2 on ebay. I took a chance, and Yay! it had old FW and I was able to jailbreak it and install Koreader. It is a solid piece of kit, very well made. However, I would NEVER buy an Amazon e-reader unless I could JB it. The inability to easily manage collections is a deal-breaker for me. In Koreader, I can organize books using linux folders.

In short, Amazon e-readers are excellent hardware, but the unnecessary software limitations render them unusable for me.

I think a JBed Oasis with Koreader would be a wonderful device, but alas, it is not meant to be.

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Old 04-25-2021, 12:01 PM   #38
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There is a selection effect: this forum is going to be particularly populated with people with problems!
I would disagree with that. The majority of Kindle etc users on these boards are happy with their devices. The more knowledgeable among them are however watching the development of KFX and unbreakable drm with some nervousness. I assume they will migrate to another brand if Amazon ever shuts drm down completely.
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I bought a S/H Paperwhite 2 on ebay. I took a chance, and Yay! it had old FW and I was able to jailbreak it and install Koreader. It is a solid piece of kit, very well made. However, I would NEVER buy an Amazon e-reader unless I could JB it. The inability to easily manage collections is a deal-breaker for me. In Koreader, I can organize books using linux folders.

In short, Amazon e-readers are excellent hardware, but the unnecessary software limitations render them unusable for me.

I think a JBed Oasis with Koreader would be a wonderful device, but alas, it is not meant to be.
I don't use collections on my Oasis 3 at all. Calibre does all I need for library management. I do use shelves on my Kobo, because they can be managed automatically, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if I couldn't use them. Book management on an eink reader is not a feature I really need. For series info on the Kindles I use plugboards and that's enough for me.
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The more knowledgeable among them are however watching the development of KFX and unbreakable drm with some nervousness. I assume they will migrate to another brand if Amazon ever shuts drm down completely.
You can bet on that. Unbreakable DRM=no deal for me. I have not and never will buy a single book which cannot be cleaned of DRM.
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I don't use collections on my Oasis 3 at all. Calibre does all I need for library management. I do use shelves on my Kobo, because they can be managed automatically, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if I couldn't use them. Book management on an eink reader is not a feature I really need. For series info on the Kindles I use plugboards and that's enough for me.
I can't even abide collections generated by Calibre with plugins etc. I use Android/Linux folders only. It's so easy! Fortunately Koreader and Android e-readers have made this possible for me.
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I can't even abide collections generated by Calibre with plugins etc. I use Android/Linux folders only. It's so easy! Fortunately Koreader and Android e-readers have made this possible for me.
I guess the extensive use of Calibre for managing my ebooks for the last 10 years has weaned me off folder systems. Of course I still use folders on my Windows computers, but I have learned to use alternate means if necessary. Folders are no longer the one system to rule them all for me.
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Oh, would that the file system actually was linux and not microsoft. Then symbolic links could be used to put a book into more than one collection.
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To be fair, the things that give me pause aren't things that are reported as problems. And it isn't the A/B testing Amazon is doing on the new cover lockscreen feature. That's not really an issue to me at all.

Kindle has nice features like X-ray and Goodreads integration and Send to Kindle. But I don't think those are features I would use.

But then I read about things like Kindle automatically updating book covers in your library whether you want it to or not. And if you use .mobi or .azw files you don't get Kindle's nicer formatting, or even hyphenated words.

And the ads. And making them device specific instead of account specific.. It just seems like the richest man in the world is nickle and dimeing people.

In the US, the Nook Glowlight 3, Kobo Clara and Kindle Paperwhite are all comparable devices. 300ppi, e-ink Carta screens. 8GB storage. But the prices aren't. And don't tell me about sales. They all have sales.

Kobo Clara (ad-free): $119
Nook Glowlight 3 (ad-free): $119
Kindle Paperwhite (ad-supported): $129, (ad-free) $149

What are those ads supporting?

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To be fair, the things that give me pause aren't things that are reported as problems. And it isn't the A/B testing Amazon is doing on the new cover lockscreen feature. That's not really an issue to me at all.

Kindle has nice features like X-ray and Goodreads integration and Send to Kindle. But I don't think those are features I would use.

But then I read about things like Kindle automatically updating book covers in your library whether you want it to or not. And if you use .mobi or .azw files you don't get Kindle's nicer formatting, or even hyphenated words.

And the ads. And making them device specific instead of account specific.. It just seems like the richest man in the world is nickle and dimeing people.

In the US, the Nook Glowlight 3, Kobo Clara and Kindle Paperwhite are all comparable devices. 300ppi, e-ink Carta screens. 8GB storage. But the prices aren't. And don't tell me about sales. They all have sales.

Kobo Clara (ad-free): $119
Nook Glowlight 3 (ad-free): $119
Kindle Paperwhite (ad-supported): $129, (ad-free) $149

What are those ads supporting?
For hyphenation, there is a calibre plugin. And azw3 has at least one benefit kfx has not: you can use the font_ramp hack (aka custom font sizes) with it.
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