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Old 07-17-2020, 09:26 AM   #31
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Do you actually mean to say that you have a SINGLE older ereader that appears washed out? Because in general what you're saying is obviously wrong. The only time I've heard someone make that complaint about the older readers is when there was a bad initial batch of the K4NT silver and some of them had poor contrast. My experience (and I think most people too) is that the layers on the modern Kindles reduces the contrast (not by a lot just a little) so that the older ones (no touch or infrared touch) generally outperform them excepting the Voyage.
At one point, LG was making eInk screen and they had a flaw where they would fade in sunlight. Amazon, Sony, and others had they problem screen.
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And unless you reduced the resolution of the hi-res graphics (aka cover, title page, maps, etc), your old nook would slow down, freeze, or reboot. They don't have the processor speed and/or enough working ram.
I was curious to test your assertion, as I think you are way overstating it. But I couldn't find the spare SD card.

I suspect the old Simple Touch would work just fine. I know it wasn't a powerhouse, but I don't read image heavy stuff on my readers anyway.
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Old 07-17-2020, 11:02 AM   #33
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I was curious to test your assertion, as I think you are way overstating it. But I couldn't find the spare SD card.

I suspect the old Simple Touch would work just fine. I know it wasn't a powerhouse, but I don't read image heavy stuff on my readers anyway.
I know on the Sony PRS-T1 and the nook STR, when you had a high enough resolution image such as a cover, they would both slow down. They would work, but it was slow to render the image. I've not tried multiple hi-res images for the same HTML file such as multiple maps.
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Do you actually mean to say that you have a SINGLE older ereader that appears washed out? Because in general what you're saying is obviously wrong. The only time I've heard someone make that complaint about the older readers is when there was a bad initial batch of the K4NT silver and some of them had poor contrast. My experience (and I think most people too) is that the layers on the modern Kindles reduces the contrast (not by a lot just a little) so that the older ones (no touch or infrared touch) generally outperform them excepting the Voyage.
IMO, my my older devices look "washed out" compared to my newer Glo HD. I just looked at my Kobo Touch and Sony 505. Compared to my Glo HD the background is greyer and the text isn't as black. To me, this looks washed out, now that I am used to the Glo HD. Even holding the Touch directly under a light (something I'm not going to do during normal reading), it still looks washed out, compared to my Glo HD.

If you prefer, I'll change "washed out" to poor contrast.
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Old 07-17-2020, 12:07 PM   #35
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But when 800x600 Pearly screen were the norm, did they look washed out (poor contrast)? I didn't think so back then.
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IMO, my my older devices look "washed out" compared to my newer Glo HD. I just looked at my Kobo Touch and Sony 505. Compared to my Glo HD the background is greyer and the text isn't as black. To me, this looks washed out, now that I am used to the Glo HD. Even holding the Touch directly under a light (something I'm not going to do during normal reading), it still looks washed out, compared to my Glo HD.

If you prefer, I'll change "washed out" to poor contrast.
I think "washed out" and poor contrast are pretty much synonymous, but do not think pixel density and contrast are necessarily related. It could be difficult to maintain fill factor as pixel density increases. That would reduce contrast.

E-ink contrast and pixel density have both been improving over time, so maybe it is more like older technology screens are often washed out. As a pure example, the quite old 9.7" 150dpi Kindle DXG is not washed out and has better contrast than the even older Kindle DX.
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Old 07-17-2020, 12:16 PM   #37
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How well does the K3 handle hi-res graphics?
I just side-loaded the same book to both her K3 and my ClaraHD, and to be honest, the cover graphics looked better on her K3, with better shading.
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I just side-loaded the same book to both her K3 and my ClaraHD, and to be honest, the cover graphics looked better on her K3, with better shading.
But was the cover hi-res?
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But was the cover hi-res?
1300x2000, seems high enough res to me.
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1300x2000, seems high enough res to me.
Yes, that is hi-res enough. How long did it take to display the cover on the K3.
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Yes, that is hi-res enough. How long did it take to display the cover on the K3.
I didn't time it, but I don't remember it being particularly slow. The performance of her K3 is still perfectly acceptable for me.
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I didn't time it, but I don't remember it being particularly slow. The performance of her K3 is still perfectly acceptable for me.
Can you load the cover on both the K3 and the Clara HD at the same time and see how they get on? Thanks.
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IMO, my my older devices look "washed out" compared to my newer Glo HD. I just looked at my Kobo Touch and Sony 505. Compared to my Glo HD the background is greyer and the text isn't as black. To me, this looks washed out, now that I am used to the Glo HD. Even holding the Touch directly under a light (something I'm not going to do during normal reading), it still looks washed out, compared to my Glo HD.

If you prefer, I'll change "washed out" to poor contrast.
No I understood what you meant. You drew an incorrect conclusion based on your very limited personal experience. I've owned way too many ereaders (like many here) and feel very confident in saying that older ereaders are not washed out in general. I can even take out my own Kobo Touch or K3 or K4 and snap a pic if you want showing one of those old geezers completely outperform most of my modern Kindles and Kobos with much blacker font. If modern ereaders didn't have frontlights there would really be no competition on the contrast front.
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No I understood what you meant. You drew an incorrect conclusion based on your very limited personal experience. I've owned way too many ereaders (like many here) and feel very confident in saying that older ereaders are not washed out in general. I can even take out my own Kobo Touch or K3 or K4 and snap a pic if you want showing one of those old geezers completely outperform most of my modern Kindles and Kobos with much blacker font. If modern ereaders didn't have frontlights there would really be no competition on the contrast front.
You got me. My apologies. I meant the older 800x600 (and some higher resolution/pearl) devices that I have used.

And FWIW, I just compared my Sony 505 to my Glo HD (with the front light off), and the 505 looks washed out in comparison.

I compared my Touch to my Glo HD (with the light off), and my Touch looks washed out in comparison.

I compared my Old Nook (no front light model) to my Glo HD (front light off), and my Nook looks washed out in comparison.

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I haven't compared my Touch to a modern device (I guess my Glo HD isn't modern enough), but I'll have access to a Forma in a couple of days (this is the most modern device which I "own"), and I'll report back.
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You got me. My apologies. I meant the older 800x600 (and some higher resolution/pearl) devices that I have used.

And FWIW, I just compared my Sony 505 to my Glo HD (with the front light off), and the 505 looks washed out in comparison.

I compared my Touch to my Glo HD (with the light off), and my Touch looks washed out in comparison.

I compared my Old Nook (no front light model) to my Glo HD (front light off), and my Nook looks washed out in comparison.


I haven't compared my Touch to a modern device (I guess my Glo HD isn't modern enough), but I'll have access to a Forma in a couple of days (this is the most modern device which I "own"), and I'll report back.
This is my 10 year old Kindle 3 (keyboard) compared to my one year old Oasis 3.

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