Ebook reader that is good for manga

[ilovejedd]

Originally Posted by tinkywinky666

[B]But is the resolution the true factor behind clouds being brighter picture/whiter? (detail wise surely) - because I'm after that.
However Goodereader said that Forma got same technology implemented as Aura one, while having better resolution so maybe it's because of that.
Now You're saying bout PIXEL DENSITY (36x48 how big is it picture wise I'm noob haha) - dunno bout ONYX DEVIES tho.

Pixel density for both is 300 pixels per inch (300 ppi). That means for every inch, you have 300 pixels. On a 1" x 1" square, you have 90000 pixels (300w x 300h).

You're really unlikely to notice the screen size reduction between the 8" Forma and 7.8" Aura.

Found a comparison of the two.
https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/20...-review-video/

[ilovejedd]

Originally Posted by kinda_confused

That's what got me leaning more towards the Libra, but looking at @tinkywinky666's image, I'm thinking there should be a difference (or a catch!)... but still I'll probably suck it up and get the Libra.

The catch is the smaller display. Consider the device resolutions again.

If your source images are >1680 pixels in height, then you're losing detail with the Libra.

Libra H2O:
7.0" 300 PPI E Ink Carta display, 1264 × 1680 resolution (2.12 million pixels)

Forma:
8.0" 300 PPI E Ink Carta display, 1440 × 1920 resolution (2.76 million pixels)

[tinkywinky666]

Originally Posted by ilovejedd

Pixel density for both is 300 pixels per inch (300 ppi). That means for every inch, you have 300 pixels. On a 1" x 1" square, you have 900 pixels (300w x 300h).

You're really unlikely to notice the screen size reduction between the 8" Forma and 7.8" Aura.

Found a comparison of the two.
https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/20...-review-video/

U're a real specialist, seriously!

So u stick with size as the factor of quality difference ok.
2 last q.q:
- will 7.8 aura one/forma = onyx kon - tiki or onyx nova 1?
Both have same details besides some carta PLUS (not normal one as in Kobo tho) e-ink.
Also there is a matter of lighting of e-reader between those 2 companies....will it affect much the quality?
- what is this this GRAY SCALE and how much Kobo got (Onyx has 16).

[kinda_confused]

Originally Posted by ilovejedd

The catch is the smaller display. Consider the device resolutions again.

If your source images are >1680 pixels in height, then you're losing detail with the Libra.

I was thinking there was something about the upscaling/downscaling, but in the end it also comes down to resolution.

Originally Posted by tinkywinky666

what is this this GRAY SCALE and how much Kobo got (Onyx has 16).

I am assuming 16 is the number of colors it can display and it should be the same for all E-ink Carta displays. But a picture's worth 1K words, so there:

I didn't realize e-ink uses so few colours... I guess it's enough for casual reading (which is what I'm after), but it's a shame we can't have more. This person was able to increase it to 32, but I'm guessing it's no easy feat.

[ilovejedd]

Originally Posted by tinkywinky666

U're a real specialist, seriously!

So u stick with size as the factor of quality difference ok.
2 last q.q:
- will 7.8 aura one/forma = onyx kon - tiki or onyx nova 1?
Both have same details besides some carta PLUS (not normal one as in Kobo tho) e-ink.
Also there is a matter of lighting of e-reader between those 2 companies....will it affect much the quality?
- what is this this GRAY SCALE and how much Kobo got (Onyx has 16).

Whoops, totally didn't realize I was missing a few zeros. That should be 90,000 pixels per square inch.

It's not just size. It's a combination of size and pixel density. In this case, the Forma and Aura ONE are both 300 ppi and roughly around the same size, hence image resolution should be very close.

All of them pretty much use the same e-ink display anyway as I believe there's only one manufacturer.

[ratinox]

Originally Posted by ilovejedd

You're really unlikely to notice the screen size reduction between the 8" Forma and 7.8" Aura.

I have both, Aura ONE and Forma. The size difference is largely unnoticeable unless the two are side by side. Image quality may seem to vary if the front lights are on due to the different kinds of LEDs.

Aura ONE Manga Edition is identical hardware and software to Aura ONE except it has 32GB storage instead of 8GB.

NB: I prefer Forma because physical buttons.

[Quoth]

There are really fourteen shades of grey, back and nearly white on all eink readers except really old screens which have four levels, i.e. black, dull white and two greys.
The ereader may dither images which adds more apparent shades. That's not too bad at 300 dpi, newer screens, but can be more obvious on older poor resolution screens.

Colour is always going to be poorer.

[tinkywinky666]

Originally Posted by ilovejedd

Whoops, totally didn't realize I was missing a few zeros. That should be 90,000 pixels per square inch.

It's not just size. It's a combination of size and pixel density. In this case, the Forma and Aura ONE are both 300 ppi and roughly around the same size, hence image resolution should be very close.

All of them pretty much use the same e-ink display anyway as I believe there's only one manufacturer.

Hopefully u're right but ratinox said a wise word in [b] even if it's the same company, there's an option that size & pixels won't just cut alone nd it will differ like a lot Forma vs Aura one......let alone Onyx - which I only found one comparison to Ipad and colors seems to be dark but washed out. It may be the front light issue.
For that I wrote to Goodereader for manga source, asked him to compare Onyx Nova vs Forma manga with this site & if I obtain this Naruto page source - gonna send it to Onyx team (they already agreed to do the test).

Originally Posted by ratinox

I have both, Aura ONE and Forma. The size difference is largely unnoticeable unless the two are side by side. Image quality may seem to vary if the front lights are on due to the different kinds of LEDs.

Aura ONE Manga Edition is identical hardware and software to Aura ONE except it has 32GB storage instead of 8GB.

NB: I prefer Forma because physical buttons.

To me, manga is page turning by hand, so imitating it with a device without buttons seems good. Still, am afraid that other yet similar to Forma won't just do - that is showcase very same picture from my example.

Is it possible for u to reproduce this comparison? Show us Naruto page side by side with those 2 e-readers? It would help me a lot.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kinda_confused

I was thinking there was something about the upscaling/downscaling, but in the end it also comes down to resolution.


I am assuming 16 is the number of colors it can display and it should be the same for all E-ink Carta displays. But a picture's worth 1K words, so there:

I didn't realize e-ink uses so few colours... I guess it's enough for casual reading (which is what I'm after), but it's a shame we can't have more. This person was able to increase it to 32, but I'm guessing it's no easy feat.

Kobo does dither rather well. So while it only has 16 shades of gray, it looks like it has more because of the high resolution and the dithering.

[rowe]

‘I'm not a fan of the Android readers. They run very obsolete verisons of the OS with all of the problems this entails.’
At points, this has been true. But all the current Onyx models are Android 9/10. My son reads manga for 5 hours every day on his Nova Pro - that it’s Android 6 has never been an issue.

The ideal size is 7”, but 6” is fine if you have good eyesight. 8” you’ll notice quality issues in poor sources more, but again it’s not a big deal.

With say a poke 2, you’d have a device that could have new chapters automatically delivered as soon as they’re available. Either from commercial apps, or Tachiyomi. That’s a massive timesaver, especially for ongoing series.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by rowe

‘I'm not a fan of the Android readers. They run very obsolete verisons of the OS with all of the problems this entails.’
At points, this has been true. But all the current Onyx models are Android 9/10. My son reads manga for 5 hours every day on his Nova Pro - that it’s Android 6 has never been an issue.

The ideal size is 7”, but 6” is fine if you have good eyesight. 8” you’ll notice quality issues in poor sources more, but again it’s not a big deal.

With say a poke 2, you’d have a device that could have new chapters automatically delivered as soon as they’re available. Either from commercial apps, or Tachiyomi. That’s a massive timesaver, especially for ongoing series.

Onyx Boox has some new Readers that come with Android 10 including two new 10.3" Readers which are good for Manga.

[tinkywinky666]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Kobo does dither rather well. So while it only has 16 shades of gray, it looks like it has more because of the high resolution and the dithering.

Yeah...so I was afraid, while Onyx got 7.8 inches devices, those can differ in quality from Forma as based on my Naruto example https://ibb.co/311QSZ5

Originally Posted by rowe

‘I'm not a fan of the Android readers. They run very obsolete verisons of the OS with all of the problems this entails.’
At points, this has been true. But all the current Onyx models are Android 9/10. My son reads manga for 5 hours every day on his Nova Pro - that it’s Android 6 has never been an issue.

The ideal size is 7”, but 6” is fine if you have good eyesight. 8” you’ll notice quality issues in poor sources more, but again it’s not a big deal.

With say a poke 2, you’d have a device that could have new chapters automatically delivered as soon as they’re available. Either from commercial apps, or Tachiyomi. That’s a massive timesaver, especially for ongoing series.

Maybe You Sir could show us This Naruto manga 72 page on Your son Nova Pro for our little comparison https://ibb.co/311QSZ5 ? Would appreciate the help

ps. found the perfect sized (more of a display itself shape: long but less wide. Just look how page is fitting the screen!):
Onyx N96ML
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MDulWjZGgrM/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.bookrunch.com/pics/news/1454951338.jpg

Onyx is planning its version 2: Boox Note S e-Reader hmmmmmmmmmm

However it seems dat to achieve Forma quality over Libra we would have to buy their 10.3 Boox Note
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k0fSTQgStVg/maxresdefault.jpg

As for Nova Pro, there was only 1 dimmed photo with washed out effects on the whole internet so not so much a review;///
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GUaaTDY2uNQ/maxresdefault.jpg

But MAYBE 7.8 inches Nova Pro / 2 or Kin - Toki Onyx will give us same effect as forma and buying 9-10 inches device won't be ncsry...

[ratinox]

Originally Posted by rowe

But all the current Onyx models are Android 9/10.

But the previous generations will never see a current OS release.

Amazon and Kobo and Apple and Google make money selling content. Readers and phones and tablets are the packaging used to deliver that content. Keeping them up to date keeps existing customers buying more product.

Onyx, Fiio and other hardware manufacturers across the board make money selling hardware. They don't have content stores, and keeping old products up to date generates no revenue so they largely don't bother once a model goes out of production. If you're okay with this then you do you, but be aware that buying these products is a short term dead end.

[salamanderjuice]

Originally Posted by ratinox

But the previous generations will never see a current OS release.

Amazon and Kobo and Apple and Google make money selling content. Readers and phones and tablets are the packaging used to deliver that content. Keeping them up to date keeps existing customers buying more product.

Onyx, Fiio and other hardware manufacturers across the board make money selling hardware. They don't have content stores, and keeping old products up to date generates no revenue so they largely don't bother once a model goes out of production. If you're okay with this then you do you, but be aware that buying these products is a short term dead end.

Oynx has a real store in China.

Considering that most book reader apps are perfectly usable on an ancient version of Android like 4.4 from 2013 and most new android features are near useless on an eInk, non-phone device, I'm not sure how big an issue it really is.

Not every feature hits the older Kobos or Kindles either. My Kobo Aura One never got Dropbox support for example, that's only reserved for new Forma so far. Older Kindles like the Kindle 2 can't handle AZW3 books cutting them off from stuff like manga, later Kindles didn't get KFX and the better typography, etc.

They make sure most books work in some form or another on most devices but older devices don't get a lot of newer features either.

[rowe]

Android OS version isn't that important for reading, and the latest devices shouldn't have issues for reading for many, many years. The batteries are more likely to go first. I can see why people get upset by Boox not upgrading older devices to new Android versions, but in practice it has very little effect on reading.

An example of manga on the Nova 2:
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0IGgZLKuGM5JIW

It looks great. All the screens of common modern readers are from the same company and share the same spec for their size. Boox has more user control over rendering than most.

Trying to match the screen to source resolution isn't the right approach IMO. For manga the source is typically 7", blowing it up to 10" isn't going to see any improvement unless you're doing it because your eyesight is poor.

If you do have good eyesight you'll notice the degradation in quality. 6/7/8" is fine for manga and will be 300DPI on a good device. On modern 10" readers the DPI is 227.

Many manga sources are poor quality, you'll enjoy them more on a 6". High quality sources will look great on 7/8".

I have a 13" Max 3 with the highest resolution e-ink screen, manga scanned at a high resolution looks terrible on it because the source physical size is so much smaller (but it's ideal for graphic novels).