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Reading some of the stories from these forums reminds me as to why I am more than happy to keep my ebook editing as a sideline. Too many people who don't understand that like politics, ebook creation is the art of the possible. |
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He took umbrage at a video I made, trying to explain about ADE and how he was displaying the book in a way that didn't match real devices OR the print book (with ~90+ characters per line plus 5-8 spaces, so nearly 100 char/line, which obviously is wildly different than his print book with has the ubiquitous 60-ish). Apparently he was offended by my tone, which I agree was a bit terse and not obsequious. So...(sigh). I wish I could solve it, but he's just...nearly impossible. Hitch |
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using a font-variant won't hurt one bit. Leave the true underlying text alone: Code:
<span class="smallcaps">PhD</span> + 4 <span class="smallcaps">pm</span> Code:
PhD + 4 pm or 4 PM The few edge cases I'm not 100% sure on straddle the line between "important" and "visual". For example, some Style Guides or languages require smallcaps in references (see the "Tracking" heading in this fantastic article about Latex+microtype). We've also discussed the severe disadvantages of "fake small caps" many times over the years. I would take a device that fails in displaying font-variant over F<small>AKE</small> S<small>MALL</small> C<small>APS</small> any day of the week. Quote:
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Since JSWolf is such a strong proponent, there should be ample proof. Closest I could find is Doitsu in 2017, in which ADE generates its own "fake caps" instead of an actual smallcaps font... But I still believe font-variant (with flaws) is a better alternative than the other forced "solutions". Quote:
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I agonised on am pm for ages and found FOUR official "styles"
The New Penguin Dictionary of Abbreviations by Rosalind Fergusson was no help. So I decided: Has to have space between number and am or pm Whatever you do, do the same everywhere I decided that (4) was the most common and easy to search and fix to. I've also decided that SMALL CAPS are more common in older books and awkward, because in line character styles are more awkward than paragraph styles on conversion. Apart from the ebook display issues. I listed the 4 options above and my choice on the flyleaf. Last edited by Quoth; 04-20-2020 at 04:09 AM. |
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The no space version is used, but not recommended in any style guide I looked at.
Similarly numbers and the units are usually recommended to have a space, 30 mph or 6.0 kg. I use a regex to find numbers with letters immediately after and check. |
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You could also read a little more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_a...y_country#Time There are about a bajillion different ways to write time, just like there are dates. (Of course, 24 hour clock + YYYY/MM/DD is superior to all. ![]() Quote:
Most of last year I typeset a Physics book, and I learned about all the nitty gritty of those rules. According to BIPM/NIST, numbers should be attached to units with a THIN SPACE. You want to use thin so they'll display a bit closer together than your usual space: See the minor difference: 6.0 kg 6.0 kg "6.0 kg" should really be read as one whole chunk. You also want it to be non-breakable. You don't want "6.0" to accidentally detach from the "kg" on a new line. In ebooks, using non-breaking characters besides is a very bad idea. I would either go with the normal space or painstakingly add the if it's deemed real important: Code:
6.0 kg 6.0 kg And a lot of these conventions are geared towards Print, where you have full control over the layout... in ebooks, things are much different. Side Note On Properly Typesetting Units: It'll probably be a blog post (one of these days...). I'll have to dig out all my notes from months ago, I did some pretty huge writeups with all my sources as I was typesetting the book. I also took detailed images showing differences before/after, and the spacing issues becomes apparent when working on very dense books full of inline equations/maths/units. On Tools to Help Correctly Space Units: If anyone's familiar with any to clean up directly in source documents, etc... let me know. The only one I have firsthand experience with is the grammarchecker Antidote, and it detects numbers+units, and is able to insert the correct spacing between. (In 2018, I wrote a little bit about Antidote here: Does Tool Exist to Spellcheck/Grammarcheck by Category?) * * * Anyway, this conversation is meandering much further from the original post (alternate glyphs). I'd be very interested in discussing all these details, but maybe it should be in another topic. It's already hard enough for others finding all these fantastic nuggets of wisdom buried in strange topic names. ![]() Last edited by Tex2002ans; 04-21-2020 at 06:28 AM. |
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I decided long ago I didn't want to proof / set non-fiction. Too much I don't know.
Then I decided I didn't really like it at all. Hence idea to expand cancelled about 2 years ago. I only created the entity at all originally for one of my sons that wanted a "fake" publisher. I'd regard the Gridiron, the Teeth Will Make you Fret, as an unreliable implementer of their style guide, besides thinking some aspects are strange. |
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