User interest: Kindle Long Voyage

[SCION]

Been wanting a bigger screen from Amazon since the original Paperwhite. Very pleased with the reading experience on the Aura ONE and OverDrive integration. The only thing I miss is the X-Ray feature on Kindles.

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[HenryTree]

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Actually your comment has pretty much nothing to do with this thead. Barry answered on another post about Amazon having had a large ereader once before.

Regarding the topic, I wouldn't buy it but this is because I don't like to buy too much from Amazon.

As long as epubs are the most common form of ebooks in Europe, buying any other brand than a Kindle makes more sense anyway. I can get my ebooks from pretty much every store I want and get books from the library too. None of this would be possible with a Kindle no matter how large.

But I do think they will make one. Thus far they always were very fast to come up with a copy of other companies successes.

Re "I don't like to buy too much from Amazon":
I'm in the UK and getting on in years and have been a premium paying customer of theirs for many, many years and have always received excellent service. *However* - it is now all coming to an end for the simple reason that due to old age, I can no longer handle their silly, "environment friendly", reams and reams of brown paper which are stuffed inside their huge parcels and packages. I am sure that the much more modern equivalent of green air packs developed in Scandinavia would be more environmentally friendly, especially as so many forests would not be devoured by Amazon. Strange eh, "Amazon devouring forests ... " Oh well! But to get back to my point - as an old customer with arthritic hands, I am simply unable to handle these huge quantities of brown paper in every parcel. It is simply a foolish choice forced on the retailer by certain pressure groups.

Regarding the comment of, "epubs are the most common form of ebooks in Europe, buying any other brand than a Kindle makes more sense anyway", I find this to be rather naive (or possibly even foolish) because it is so absolutely simple to convert different formats these days.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by HenryTree

Re "I don't like to buy too much from Amazon":
I'm in the UK and getting on in years and have been a premium paying customer of theirs for many, many years and have always received excellent service. *However* - it is now all coming to an end for the simple reason that due to old age, I can no longer handle their silly, "environment friendly", reams and reams of brown paper which are stuffed inside their huge parcels and packages. I am sure that the much more modern equivalent of green air packs developed in Scandinavia would be more environmentally friendly, especially as so many forests would not be devoured by Amazon. Strange eh, "Amazon devouring forests ... " Oh well! But to get back to my point - as an old customer with arthritic hands, I am simply unable to handle these huge quantities of brown paper in every parcel. It is simply a foolish choice forced on the retailer by certain pressure groups.

Regarding the comment of, "epubs are the most common form of ebooks in Europe, buying any other brand than a Kindle makes more sense anyway", I find this to be rather naive (or possibly even foolish) because it is so absolutely simple to convert different formats these days.

I almost always get the green air bags. The only times I have gotten brown paper which might I add is great for craft projects and more biodegradable than the plastic in the air bags is when I ordered batteries.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by HenryTree

Regarding the comment of, "epubs are the most common form of ebooks in Europe, buying any other brand than a Kindle makes more sense anyway", I find this to be rather naive (or possibly even foolish) because it is so absolutely simple to convert different formats these days.

Being not "foolish" in your book would mean I'd have to strip the DRM off library books to read them on a kindle. And that, sir, is criminal in my book. So at the risk of seeming foolish to you, I rather have an epub reader.

[barryem]

Personally I don't think words like "foolish" are useful in friendly discussions. I kind of hate to see them used. We're all different people with different tastes. I think everyone who doesn't like the same books I like, and who reads books I don't like, is foolish. Of course they are. But, except when I just can't resist, I keep that to myself.

Anyway, I do agree with the point that converting formats is trivial these days. It may or may not be a crime; there's been a lot of debate about that in here and, while I think it probably is a crime technically, it's certainly not a crime in any practical sense; that is there's no way to ever be called to task for it and there are no victims and no-one really cares.

Speeding is a crime. In the days before I retired without a car I typically drove 5 miles over the speed limit in traffic, not because I was in a rush but because not doing so is more dangerous than doing so and is, I think, irresponsible.

Putting DRM on books is certainly no crime and since, according to the TOS, I'm not buying the book but only the right to read it, I can't legally justify removing the DRM. And yet I find it hard to care. I won't confess to always removing the DRM on the books I buy but if I were carefully investigated who knows what might happen.

By the way, I often remove the DRM on books from Amazon and send them right back to Amazon as documents to read on my various devices. Since I'm pretty dependant on Amazon I called them and asked if I can get in trouble with them for doing this, since the DRM was obviously removed. The guy asked around and called back the next day and let me know that no-one he could ask at Amazon could see any problem with it, including some supervisors, and that a couple of them do that themselves.

So yes, it's maybe technically a crime to remove DRM. The bible says "Thou shalt not kill" but I stepped on a spider just the other day. Laws are guidelines to help us have an orderly society. Strict obedience to all laws probably isn't even possible and isn't always desirable. Good, responsible behavior is preferable.

Barry

[Zeebra]

Originally Posted by NullNix

The size of paperback books. All Kindles other than the DX would fit into a pocket sized for paperback books, of which there are a great many.

... however, they have moved away from this with the Oasis, which is too wide to fit into such pockets.

But look at the Kindle Keyboard. That form factor was fine for me, but it had an unnecessary keyboard on it. I'm sure Amazon could take that overall size and place a bigger screen onto it and still be like a paperback in overall size.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by Zeebra

But look at the Kindle Keyboard. That form factor was fine for me, but it had an unnecessary keyboard on it. I'm sure Amazon could take that overall size and place a bigger screen onto it and still be like a paperback in overall size.

Hhmmm....that's a great comparison. We got along fine with the size of the KK.

Interesting that Kobo's focus group wanted a bigger screen, and they delivered. Yet Amazon can't find enough people (Kindle die hards) who are tired of 6"? Really?

I voted no. I think eInk devices are such crap now a days compared to tablets, especially the lighted ones. And even if Amazon built a decent one, it would still lack even the most basic of formatting options that should have been included years ago. Instead it would be filled with tons of annoying features that I couldn't care less about.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by barryem

Personally I don't think words like "foolish" are useful in friendly discussions. I kind of hate to see them used. We're all different people with different tastes. I think everyone who doesn't like the same books I like, and who reads books I don't like, is foolish. Of course they are. But, except when I just can't resist, I keep that to myself.

Anyway, I do agree with the point that converting formats is trivial these days. It may or may not be a crime; there's been a lot of debate about that in here and, while I think it probably is a crime technically, it's certainly not a crime in any practical sense; that is there's no way to ever be called to task for it and there are no victims and no-one really cares.

Speeding is a crime. In the days before I retired without a car I typically drove 5 miles over the speed limit in traffic, not because I was in a rush but because not doing so is more dangerous than doing so and is, I think, irresponsible.

Putting DRM on books is certainly no crime and since, according to the TOS, I'm not buying the book but only the right to read it, I can't legally justify removing the DRM. And yet I find it hard to care. I won't confess to always removing the DRM on the books I buy but if I were carefully investigated who knows what might happen.

By the way, I often remove the DRM on books from Amazon and send them right back to Amazon as documents to read on my various devices. Since I'm pretty dependant on Amazon I called them and asked if I can get in trouble with them for doing this, since the DRM was obviously removed. The guy asked around and called back the next day and let me know that no-one he could ask at Amazon could see any problem with it, including some supervisors, and that a couple of them do that themselves.

So yes, it's maybe technically a crime to remove DRM. The bible says "Thou shalt not kill" but I stepped on a spider just the other day. Laws are guidelines to help us have an orderly society. Strict obedience to all laws probably isn't even possible and isn't always desirable. Good, responsible behavior is preferable.

Barry

I didn't say deDRMing per se is a crime, I said removing the DRM from a library book is, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Please refrain from twisting my words into a different meaning.

I also don't see how you and Harry come to the conclusion I am too stupid to strip a book.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Being not "foolish" in your book would mean I'd have to strip the DRM off library books to read them on a kindle. And that, sir, is criminal in my book. So at the risk of seeming foolish to you, I rather have an epub reader.

Yes, indeed. That would be a very big crime to strip the DRM.
I do believe barryem may have misunderstood your post. As I recall, you borrow most of your books.

[Zeebra]

Originally Posted by jswinden

I voted no. I think eInk devices are such crap now a days compared to tablets, especially the lighted ones. And even if Amazon built a decent one, it would still lack even the most basic of formatting options that should have been included years ago. Instead it would be filled with tons of annoying features that I couldn't care less about.

Tablets are complete garbage for reading novels.

[Barbara1955]

Really! WOW then my reading 24 hours a day on my Fire 10 is a fluke... NOT .... LOTS of folks read on Tablets. From the smallest Phone to the biggest.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Yes, indeed. That would be a very big crime to strip the DRM.
I do believe barryem may have misunderstood your post. As I recall, you borrow most of your books.

You are right about the probable misunderstanding. I can't help it, I am just a grunch these days and tend to shot right away without warning.

OT about the library books

Spoiler:

Library books make sense in Germany. Books written in German are subject to a retail price maintenance agreement and have to be offered everywhere at the same fixed price. They also are quite expensive. And to top it all off, ebooks are just marginally below the price of physical books. So lending as much as I can makes sure I am able to feed my reading habit. Or piracy. But the library is only 10€ per year.

As I said before, almost all other ebook-shops and all the libraries stock epub. Mobi/azw3 are an Amazon exclusive and thus a Kindle is the choice of those who either buy all their books at Amazon or strip their epubs and sideload. Which is fine, but I 1. don't want to strip library books, 2. don't like to buy too much with Amazon as they don't pay taxes in my country and 3. come from a Sony and like the Kobo software better anyway.

As for the bigger screen Kindle, I think they'll come up with one now.

And regarding the tablet. There are tablets that are nice for reading, high resolution, 4:3 format. Nowadays some of them are even available for a very competitve price. Like this for example or this. Funny though, non of the Fire tablets has a resolution nearly as high.

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

I almost always get the green air bags. The only times I have gotten brown paper which might I add is great for craft projects and more biodegradable than the plastic in the air bags is when I ordered batteries.

I'm in the UK, I get enormous boxes for the smallest of things and reams of brown paper too

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

I'm in the UK, I get enormous boxes for the smallest of things and reams of brown paper too

We get the enormous boxes too.