Coming from Kindle3 - Page 3

montalex · 08-02-2015, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

But all the traffic is going through Amazon's firewall.

I don't understand how. It has a Telus SIM card, and connects directly to whatever site I wish via Bell -- just like a cellphone. I'm not going through Amazon at all. Either the contract with services providers is limited, or there are limitations programmed into the browser.

Can you explain?

HarryT · 08-02-2015, 07:16 AM

When you use a 3G connection on a Kindle, the Kindle does not connect directly to the web site on the Internet; it goes via Amazon's firewall, which then routes it on to the site that you connect to. It's the firewall which determines which sites to allow you to connect to, and which sites to block.

montalex · 08-02-2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

When you use a 3G connection on a Kindle, the Kindle does not connect directly to the web site on the Internet; it goes via Amazon's firewall, which then routes it on to the site that you connect to. It's the firewall which determines which sites to allow you to connect to, and which sites to block.

Thanks, Harry. I think I have finally understood. I hope Amazon keeps letting me check my email! I have to keep up my NYTimes subscription....

darryl · 08-02-2015, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

When you use a 3G connection on a Kindle, the Kindle does not connect directly to the web site on the Internet; it goes via Amazon's firewall, which then routes it on to the site that you connect to. It's the firewall which determines which sites to allow you to connect to, and which sites to block.

So you are saying that Amazon deliberately, by means of its firewall, allows the older kindles access to more sites than the newer Kindles? This may be correct, but if so, why? It is a pretty safe bet that it would be trivial and almost certainly easier to have the firewall rules not distinguish between Kindles? Is it as simple as Amazon not wishing to impose limits on its Customers which they were not subject to when they bought their older Kindles, out of fear of litigation or simply good customer relations?

I personally have never had a 3G Kindle. One suggestion made earlier in this thread was transfering the 3g hardware from an older Kindle to a newer one. Assuming the limitations are based on Amazon's firewall, I would think that if this could be accomplished, and it is a big if, there is some chance that the newer Kindle would escape the firewall restrictions. This depends, of course, on how the firewall identifies the Kindle model.

HarryT · 08-02-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by darryl

So you are saying that Amazon deliberately, by means of its firewall, allows the older kindles access to more sites than the newer Kindles? This may be correct, but if so, why?

Possibly because of the idiots who hacked the Kindle to "tether" it to a PC, thereby providing a PC with Internet access via the Kindle. People repeatedly warned of the likely consequences of this at the time, and the warnings came to pass.

darryl · 08-02-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Possibly because of the idiots who hacked the Kindle to "tether" it to a PC, thereby providing a PC with Internet access via the Kindle. People repeatedly warned of the likely consequences of this at the time, and the warnings came to pass.

Yes. But apparently the wider access to sites is still available on the Kindle 3. So if all Kindle 3G communication goes through Amazon's firewall, then it appears that Amazon must have made a deliberate decision to allow access to more sites from the Kindle 3 than later Kindle's.

dordale · 08-02-2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by darryl

Yes. But apparently the wider access to sites is still available on the Kindle 3. So if all Kindle 3G communication goes through Amazon's firewall, then it appears that Amazon must have made a deliberate decision to allow access to more sites from the Kindle 3 than later Kindle's.

My guess--and it is only a guess--is that Amazon doesn't want to upset the owners of older Kindles by taking away a functionality that they are used to having. The pool of users using older Kindles with 3g is going to grow smaller and smaller over time as they replace their devices with newer models. I would think that the number of people still using older Kindles with 3g access--and using them to access the internet over 3g is a very small number indeed.

HarryT · 08-02-2015, 01:29 PM

Amazon did, however, impose a 3G traffic limit of 50MB/month on ALL 3G Kindles, old and new alike, and that almost certainly was due to the morons who abused it.

Barbara1955 · 08-05-2015, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by montalex

Thanks, Harry. I think I have finally understood. I hope Amazon keeps letting me check my email! I have to keep up my NYTimes subscription....

NYTimes is Thru Amazon which is why you can get it on the wifi/3G

I don't understand how you receive emails thru 3G? I cant on my K3... ONLY thing the 3G lets me do is shop or Download amazon book & newspapers. To get anything else I have to use Wifi at home.

montalex · 08-10-2015, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Katie1

NYTimes is Thru Amazon which is why you can get it on the wifi/3G

I don't understand how you receive emails thru 3G? I cant on my K3... ONLY thing the 3G lets me do is shop or Download amazon book & newspapers. To get anything else I have to use Wifi at home.

Under "bookmarks" on the menu in my Kindle is gmail. If you access the browser on a Kindle 3 via Homepage/Menu/Experimental/Launch Browser, you then have a bookmarks item when you press Menu. Included in the bookmarks should be gmail. I have my regular email forwarded to gmail so that I can easily get it when I am in the country.

eschwartz · 08-11-2015, 02:45 AM

The 3G on a Kindle Keyboard is still going through Amazon, they just contract out the data towers through AT&T if I remember correctly.

On the devices that were sold before the ban, data was capped at 50 MB per month. I for one have always assumed Amazon did not want to completely remove a feature that the device was marketed as having.

On newer devices, only Amazon's servers can be accessed. (Both wikipedia and Bing Translate are and probably always have been proxied through Amazon's servers.)

I imagine this restriction is probably managed through your serial number, which is how Amazon usually identifies a specific device.
You could try switching out the SIM card, but I doubt it would work. And faking the serial number is a non-starter. (It has been done a few times, between two of the same model device. Handy if your 3G Kindle breaks and you want to move the 3G card into a WiFi model. It's also at the far end of really-complicated-debricking-tactics.)

disconnected · 08-11-2015, 09:49 AM

After years of reading on Pocket PCs and then phones I ordered a Kindle 3. It might be just that my eyes require better reading-light than most but I always seemed to be somewhere dim enough that reading on the Kindle was very uncomfortable without adding an ungainly external light of some sort. I switched back to reading on my phone.

Being a glutton for punishment I subsequently bought a Kindle Touch and a Sony PRS-650. Still no joy, although the Touch at least didn't remind me of World War II army surplus gear like the K3, and the raspberry-colored Sony was gorgeous.

The PW1 was a revelation -- gray blotches notwithstanding. I've gotten several frontlit readers since then (current favorite being a Kobo Aura H2O), but the PW1 was the game-changer; my phones are almost never used for reading now.

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08-02-2015, 07:16 AM	#32
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	When you use a 3G connection on a Kindle, the Kindle does not connect directly to the web site on the Internet; it goes via Amazon's firewall, which then routes it on to the site that you connect to. It's the firewall which determines which sites to allow you to connect to, and which sites to block.

08-02-2015, 01:29 PM	#38
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Amazon did, however, impose a 3G traffic limit of 50MB/month on ALL 3G Kindles, old and new alike, and that almost certainly was due to the morons who abused it.

08-11-2015, 02:45 AM	#41
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	The 3G on a Kindle Keyboard is still going through Amazon, they just contract out the data towers through AT&T if I remember correctly. On the devices that were sold before the ban, data was capped at 50 MB per month. I for one have always assumed Amazon did not want to completely remove a feature that the device was marketed as having. On newer devices, only Amazon's servers can be accessed. (Both wikipedia and Bing Translate are and probably always have been proxied through Amazon's servers.) I imagine this restriction is probably managed through your serial number, which is how Amazon usually identifies a specific device. You could try switching out the SIM card, but I doubt it would work. And faking the serial number is a non-starter. (It has been done a few times, between two of the same model device. Handy if your 3G Kindle breaks and you want to move the 3G card into a WiFi model. It's also at the far end of really-complicated-debricking-tactics.)

08-11-2015, 09:49 AM	#42
disconnected Fanatic Posts: 527 Karma: 4504715 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: US Device: Kobo Forma, Libra, H2O2e2, Clara, Auras, Kindles, Nooks, Sony, iPAQ	After years of reading on Pocket PCs and then phones I ordered a Kindle 3. It might be just that my eyes require better reading-light than most but I always seemed to be somewhere dim enough that reading on the Kindle was very uncomfortable without adding an ungainly external light of some sort. I switched back to reading on my phone. Being a glutton for punishment I subsequently bought a Kindle Touch and a Sony PRS-650. Still no joy, although the Touch at least didn't remind me of World War II army surplus gear like the K3, and the raspberry-colored Sony was gorgeous. The PW1 was a revelation -- gray blotches notwithstanding. I've gotten several frontlit readers since then (current favorite being a Kobo Aura H2O), but the PW1 was the game-changer; my phones are almost never used for reading now.

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