Jailbreak 5.6.1.0.6

[knc1]

Originally Posted by loco

and in the meanwhile, somewhere on amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/XDA-Developers-Android-Hackers-Toolkit-ebook/dp/B0087GZ49Q

its a perfect example of double standards....!!!!! shame on you amazon

No, double product lines.

That refers to the Kindle Fire (color reader tablets) product line that run Android ;
Not to the Kindle grayscale product line that runs Amazon-OS.

[loco]

Originally Posted by knc1

No, double product lines.

That refers to the Kindle Fire (color reader tablets) product line that run Android ;
Not to the Kindle grayscale product line that runs Amazon-OS.

for me its the greyscale kindle :P

[AMF]

I really hope one of you clever guys manage to find out how to jailbreak FW 5.6.1.0.6

[susmoka]

Someone who finds a way to jailbreak Kindle FW 5.6.1.0.6 shall be the subject of my eternal gratitude. Please please please

[knc1]

@AMF, @susmka - Not likely.

Don't make any plans that depend on a Jailbreak for 5.6.x firmware, other than by using the serial port.

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We have enough users who have jail broken 5.6.x that our after market add-ons can be maintained.
So our supported community is not left out in the cold, it is just much smaller these days.

[qee4q]

How do you use the serial port?

[AMF]

Originally Posted by knc1

@AMF, @susmka - Not likely.

Don't make any plans that depend on a Jailbreak for 5.6.x firmware, other than by using the serial port.

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We have enough users who have jail broken 5.6.x that our after market add-ons can be maintained.
So our supported community is not left out in the cold, it is just much smaller these days.

I guess it is human nature to hope and be positive! Never say never...

[knc1]

Originally Posted by qee4q

How do you use the serial port?

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=237083
Bullet #8 and if you don't find what you need indexed, Bullet #6.
(serial port usage is basic to any embedded system, its indexed.)

[Barty]

I just don't have the manual dexterity to do any serial port hacking, so my jb'ed PW2 may be the last kindle device I own. If it breaks, I'm going to have to go the kobo route and deal with their somewhat flaky software and kepub file format.

You know I don't understand why Amazon cares about the few people who jailbreak their kindle anyway. I guess back in the day when you could use 3g they didn't want people to freeload on their network, but they put a cap on that. JB now is just about freedom and customization and has little if any impact on their business, so I don't know why they just don't look the other way. But no they have to be like every body else and be a d!#k about it and exert every last bit of control.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Barty

I just don't have the manual dexterity to do any serial port hacking, so my jb'ed PW2 may be the last kindle device I own. If it breaks, I'm going to have to go the kobo route and deal with their somewhat flaky software and kepub file format.

You don't need to deal with kepub if you do not want to. I don't. I side load ePub and it work very well.

You know I don't understand why Amazon cares about the few people who jailbreak their kindle anyway. I guess back in the day when you could use 3g they didn't want people to freeload on their network, but they put a cap on that. JB now is just about freedom and customization and has little if any impact on their business, so I don't know why they just don't look the other way. But no they have to be like every body else and be a d!#k about it and exert every last bit of control.

I can understand why Amazon is against jailbreaking. If something goes wrong, Amazon is the one who gets calls about it. But what I don't understand is that instead of jailbreaking, why doesn't amazon give more functionality so there would be less or no need to jailbreak.

[knc1]

It makes no business sense to me.

Their programmers expect to get paid.
By now the bill to keep a few thousand users (of the millions) out of their own Kindle must be getting pretty large.

There is no way for anyone to know how many Kindles we have effected.
Everything is available to the web surfer who happens to find this site without any registration or tracking.

The only people who register here are those with a question or problem.
Since nearly everything posted here always "just works", that is a very small sample of our users.

[dhdurgee]

Originally Posted by Barty

I just don't have the manual dexterity to do any serial port hacking, so my jb'ed PW2 may be the last kindle device I own. If it breaks, I'm going to have to go the kobo route and deal with their somewhat flaky software and kepub file format.

Keep in mind that there are plenty of older models available on the used market. They can even be had at a reasonable price if you are not in a rush to get one.

I just picked up a replacement K3W for under $30 on eBay, as I was unhappy with the lack of audio support on the KT2 I received as a Christmas gift after my previous K3W was stolen. Of course you are purchasing a used item and must take care that it is being properly represented by the seller, but given the eBay purchase guarantee you will not be at a long term loss in case of a shady seller.

As Amazon continues to offer new models there will continue to be people who buy them simply because they are new and will be looking to unload their current kindles. There will be attrition as the units continue to fail mechanically, but I doubt there will be a shortage of older units for several years yet.

Dave

[shalym]

Originally Posted by Barty

I just don't have the manual dexterity to do any serial port hacking, so my jb'ed PW2 may be the last kindle device I own. If it breaks, I'm going to have to go the kobo route and deal with their somewhat flaky software and kepub file format.

You know I don't understand why Amazon cares about the few people who jailbreak their kindle anyway. I guess back in the day when you could use 3g they didn't want people to freeload on their network, but they put a cap on that. JB now is just about freedom and customization and has little if any impact on their business, so I don't know why they just don't look the other way. But no they have to be like every body else and be a d!#k about it and exert every last bit of control.

I would bet it's at least partly because of customer service issues. Yes...they don't technically have to support anyone who has done a software mod on their device, but have you ever heard of them refusing to? (Even though I'm sure that they get LOTS of calls from people who have bricked their devices while messing with the software) Since the most positive thing that I hear from even the people who hate Amazon is how great their CS is, I figure they made a choice to lock it down more, thinking that doing so would create the less bad press than if they stopped supporting the people who have problems caused because of the mods.

Shari

[eschwartz]

Replacing their (few) Kindles for free regardless of the cause of the damage, would be less expensive than paying all those programmers full-time salaries to "protect" Kindles from jailbreaking.

How many people do you think it takes to do this? At least a couple.
How many Kindles do you think brick because of third-party mods? Not many, they are tried and tested. Maybe 100 per year? (Personally I think I am vastly overestimating...)

Full-time salary for a couple new people: lots of money. We're talking in the range of hundreds of thousands of $'s.
Cost of 100 replacement Kindles: not much, in the grand scheme of things. Ten grand, tops.
It's even cheaper if you assume I was off by a factor of x10.


Solution -- don't stop supporting those problems. They won't stop anyway, it costs more time to check than is worth to simply replace it no questions asked.
Customer service remains wonderful.

[eschwartz]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I can understand why Amazon is against jailbreaking. If something goes wrong, Amazon is the one who gets calls about it. But what I don't understand is that instead of jailbreaking, why doesn't amazon give more functionality so there would be less or no need to jailbreak.

No, Amazon doesn't usually get the calls about it, we do, right here.

People who jailbreak and mod their device fall in two categories:

1. This stuff is scary, I will just apply updates they give me and not touch things.
2. Just what I've always wanted, root access to the linux subsystem of my embedded device! Must Play Now!! (!!!) -- mistakes? Feh -- that is what diags over ssh is for, worst case ever I will just reflash backup partition images.

Guy #2 is hardly likely to complain to Amazon -- that would be giving up on a fascinating programming issue.
Guy #1 is exceedingly unlikely to ever have problems.